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Expenses, too much trouble due to denominational conferences,   hard to organise in short time will all contribute to the collaspse of PCNAK and it losses.   It is better to have it every two years   This is my opinion what is yours

The energy and driving force behind denominational conference is the older generation. I don't see this spirit in the

younger generation. The younger generation don't have that divisive spirit or false pride in denominational conference.

They like to gather together beyond the boundaries of denominations. The younger generation is our future here and

for our effetiveness as a community here, unity is very important. So before we consider a PCNAK conference every

two years, we have to get the input of the youth. The youths I talked to prefer PCNAK conference every year.

I think it is a great idea to have pcnak every 2 years. at this rate, pcnak will become irrelevant in a few years. turnout is going down due to the rising costs and the growth of family conferences. in fact, some of the youth I talked to thought it was a good idea. So it depends on who you talk to. However, when you say we have to consider the youth opinion, it is important to also consider how much of the contributions to the conference funds come from the youth, including working young adults. I want to bet that it is less than 10%.

 hope this year's general body will seriously consider this topic and come to an agreement.

Totally agree with Brother Philip Daniel. In fact, alternating the conferences will increase relevance of the PCNAK and will be one of the foresighted decisions ever made by PCNAK. The ipc conference was a proof of that. I think beyond any personal grudges or looking at who all are proponents for this idea, the idea needs to be given a very serious consideration.

george

What Philip Daniel did in the PCNAK generalbody contradict each other.

What is his stand

 

Dear friends,

 

PCNAK is a united endeavor of all the malayalee Pentecostal believers’ young and old alike in the North America. This conference was started by our great leaders with a good vision and foresight. With God’s grace, during the last 26 years, this conference ran very well with some difficulties here and there but never failed. I am very proud to be a part of this fellowship and respect all my fellow brethrens who have served before and now.

 

Due to the rising poor economic status, successful family conference, lack of poor attendance and poor planning causing lots of financial difficulties in our yearly PCNAK conference, it is a good idea to reconsider our current circumstances and have a strong discussion with all our delegates including our youths before we make a final decision to host the conference every two years (I personally support to host the conference every two years due to the above stated facts). During the last 10 years, the youths have taken lots of responsibilities and proven to us that they are responsible and serious. Let us make them aware of the financial responsibilities and make them accountable for their side since we are doing it parallel programs. To hold a conference in this magnitude, we need lots of prayers, manpower, planning and financial support from everyone including all working members. We can not have a selfish attitude and ignore the future children. Over 8,000 believers are part of this fellowship and not everyone attend the conference yearly but, that does not mean they are not interested. We need to discuss all the pros and cons and come to an agreeable and harmonious conclusion without hurting any delegates. PCNAK belongs to all Pentecostal believers. God appoint different people every year to lead this great conference for the blessing of others.

 

Since, we do not have a written by-laws, the general body can make a reasonable ruling. In Atlanta, I was against for a vote because, this most important equally debated issue was not notified to the general public in advance and it was not fair for 200 plus people who attended the Atlanta general body to make a policy decision that effects over 8000 delegates who are living in North America. I am glad Pastor K.M. Varghese (our next convener) sensed the situation and made the right decision to do that next year in Chicago. If God willing, He and his executive committee will take this into consideration and notify all participants in advance and allow to have a good positive discussion in Chicago with all working members and make a better judgment for our coming conferences whether to continue yearly or every two years.

 

I am a well wisher of PCNAK and all the other family conferences. I will continue to make every effort to attend PCNAK and all family conferences. Since, we are living in a democratic modern society; it is only fair we do this in a democratic way. This is our conference and let’s put away all hidden agendas and practices and accomplishes good result for all Pentecostal malayalees regardless of their denomination.

(You may express your opinion on this but; I will not express anymore view on this.)

 

Philip Daniel

New York

Hi

 Absolutly right.

Jsph

I think what happened at the general body was unfortunate - the unruly behavior of some of the pastors and national reps. I believe these people must be made permanent signatories on all pcnak contracts. Why dont we just make a trustee board that will sign all contracts for pcnak - this can be the same group of people who want pcnak every year or twice a year. It is easy to talk but difficult to work. I dont want to name any persons here but look at the song book for the contributions these men gave for the conference they value so much! Bunch of people who have nothing good in their life, who have only pcnak and its general body where they can atleast get an audience of 200 people to even sit and listen to them whether the aduience wants to hear them.

I agree with Bro. Philip Daniel that for major decisions, prior notice must be given. I think it is high time for some basic guidelines for the conference. I hope the current committee will work on that.

I personally want the conference to be continue and grow and my opinion is that it will happen if are willing to have the foresight to make it every 2 years.

Biji Varghese

In My opinion as a youngster PCNAK conference need to be organised in every year. because it is the only one event among pentecostals that unite every denominations.

the yearly conference helps our young people to be more attached to our society. other wise the gap is too long and we will lose our next generation.

 

Hi

We need PCNAK every year.Last 25 years it was Sucessful.Because of the poor planning one or two conferences became faliure.Dont expect 6000 people for every conferences.It depends upon the geographical location of states.This is the united endeavour of all malayalee pentecostal families. So please think construtively and also the future  about our youth.

Thanks

YK

 

In this conference the officials got up on the stage many times to beg. Do we wnat to see that every year? These guys did a pretty good job on organizing these conferences but support from the community was not that great. Even locals from Atlanta (there is only few) didn't show up. I think we should change it to two years. I am not a youngster or old, I am 28 yrs old and I have attended every pcnak since 1993. We are not really growing or going forward. PCNAK needs more structure and sincere leaders. These people who play the worst politics to get into positions don't really care about PCNAK as soon as they leave the position. Take look at last 25 years officials and take this years song book and figure out how many of these officials gave any donations. Trust me nobody is fooling anyone.

 

 

brother: your bitter words indicates a weak cause.

Since this is a pentecostal conference. where is pentecostal way of worship in our conferences? Today, our pcnak youth sessions are the same like any baptist or any other youth conference. People talk about the importance of pcnak as it relates to the future of our youth and keeping them within our culture - Kerala Pentecostal. In my opinion, just like cultural organizations like FOKANA/ FOMA etc promote kerala culture to the next generation so that along with the american culture, they will also have a true appreciation for the malayalee culture and its heritage, PCNAK's purpose should be to promote our culture and spiritual heritage - the "P" and the ""K" in the PCNAK. Now, we will have to think of innovative ways to do that in a way that it will interest the youth, but clearly that is a challenge before us.

What is the point of a bunch of people coming to a 3 day conference, spend over $550,000( pcnak 2007 expense) to have the same kind of meetings we can get everywhere else except for the fact here it is all malayalees? Where is the pentecostal aspect of our conference? where is the kerala aspect of our conference? Again, I am not suggesting that we go to some traditional kerala way of holding a conference or that people should all be jumping up and down speaking in tongues, but that we should truly think about how to make a change in PCNAK where it continues to be relevant in its stated purpose- the cultural and the spiritual aspect. Would it be great to see the manifestations of the gifts of the spirit in our conferences? With a lot of prayer and a collaboration of young leaders, we can change PCNAK where its relevance increases and no one can question whether we should have this conference. This post is not a tirade against pcnak but some thoughts we could entertain as the leadership plans the next conference.

I don't fully understand what everyone means when they say if we alternate PCNAK, " we will lose our next generation". Can you elaborate on how a 3 day conference  is what keeps the young people more attached to our socitey? - in what aspects?

BT

Bitter or not, you know I am right, you expereienced it in Atlanta........(that if you attended the meetings, instead of walking around in the lobby)

Hi BT,

I really don't understand what you mean by jumping up and down and speaking in tounges.

I believe you have no place in between pentecost believers to talk about Pentecost.

First you go and study,  what is the meaning of "Pentecost".Then you can  about pentecost meetings.

This is the problem of so called pentecost believers now. They think that they are the holy people but no life in them.

BJ

I was talking to a person who came to PCNAK conference for the first time.  He is new to this land.   He was so ashamed to see PCNAK officials are begging for the money and taking two offering for the same meeting. and some of them were cring even.   He said that he will never attend another one.   This is his first and the last.  He lost it respect.

dear all,

why  PCNAK needs to extend for 2yr. gap saying , money and arrangements is a matter of problem.???

if PCNAK is meant for the unity and fellowship for all the pentecostals in the region....why can't it be simple ???

Is it much expensive to have 1/2 yearly common worship with Lord's table ministered by the Pastor's in the region itself ??

Is it very difficult to arrange monthly prayer cell especially for leaders - to strengthen the ties among them,.

why can't the Pastors in the region give sermons on those occassions and the guest speakers can be called for some conventions.

 

this is a suggestion and find it successful in our region.

please advice

cheers

I support making PCNAK every 2 years for the following reasons:

1) Family conferences are a reality, it is not going anywhere. Alternating the conferences, will increase attendance and also help use our money wisely. The best is to alternate those conferences too.

2) I am confident that attendance at PCNAK will increase if it was every 2 years. Some say that only people who want to come need to come. Brothers, we should make this affordable and exciting such that everyone will want to come. Our purpose is to promote the fellowship

3) Helps better planning and execution if there is more time. Officials will not be competing with other conference officials for money

 Let's debate these issues. Put aside any agendas and motives. Hope we can reach a good conclusion on this issue.

Thomas

I totally agree with Thomas. If PCNAK can be every two years, all the family conferences should also be every two years.  That means One conference  every year.  That will increase the strength of all the conferences thus can avoid financial problems.  Take a look at Atlanta conference.  Beautiful facilities and excellent arrangements.  Organizators did a very good job.  But there is financial problem.  While we enjoy the arrangements and meetings, the officials are going through a lot of stress which is not good.  All this can be avoided if we alternate all the conferences.  Let the officials also enjoy the meetings like us with out the worry of money.

 

ISTRONGLY SUPPORT OF MAKING THE PCNAK ONCE IN TWO YEARS.

 

 

• Anonymous:

  Expenses, too much trouble due to denominational conferences,   hard to organise in short time will all contribute to the collaspse of PCNAK and it losses.   It is better to have it every two years   This is my opinion what is yours

• Anonymous:

  Expenses, too much trouble due to denominational conferences,   hard to organise in short time will all contribute to the collaspse of PCNAK and it losses.   It is better to have it every two years   This is my opinion what is yours

Guys,

I am very proud of the excellent work our team did this year and majority of the feedback I am receiving reflects this fact. However, I know there are few on this board felt some aspects were average or needs improvement. I appreciate and value your feedback so I am responding to some of your posts. There were several inaccuracies in some of these posts.

1) The vote of thanks was NOT 45 minutes long. We went back and checked the video and with our event coordinators, it is less than 15 minutes. And there is nothing wrong with taking the time to recognize individuals who worked hard and sacrificed lot for the last 1 year for this conference.
2) Time management. We tried our best to start and end on time. We were able to achieve this for the most events, except on Sunday. Our scheduled meeting start time on Sunday was 8:30 and we had less than 7 people (including the presiding minister and few other leaders) at 8:30. We had to wait until after 9am to start the meeting due to the turnout. We started half-an-hour late and therefore we ended half-an-hour late. I encourage all of you who complained about meeting punctuality to set an example and show up for meetings on time at the next conference. It would certainly help the coordinators to start the meetings on time.
3) Sports – Sam Daniel worked hard and did the best he could do given the following circumstances:
a. We couldn’t find any College gymnasiums or any other facility within the 25-mile radius of the Galleria to host the Sports tournament. For July 4th (Friday), most of these places are either closed or had other prescheduled tournaments. We looked for a decent facility from September to February - explored all possibilities and exploited all connections.
b. The only option we had was Exhibition Hall at Galleria. It is only logical to think that a temporary setup (converting a hall to a gym) will not give the same effect as a permanent setup (recreational facility or a gym). However, we did the best we could do to convert the Hall to a gym. There is a trade-off for the convenience of having the sports tournament at the Galleria versus driving 25 miles or dealing with the transportation issues. C’mon guys, this is no NBA tournament and PCNAK is not all about Sports.
c. Given the challenges we had, We had a very good tournament, thought I don’t claim a perfect tournament. Hope you understand!

4) Finance – I understand your frustration about offering speeches, but until our young-professional- attendees step up to the plate and take financial responsibility for the conference, we will continue to have financial issues. This year we took extra care to avoid all unnecessary costs and keep the budget to a minimum:

So, the financial problem was contributed by a $250,000 food contract that we didn’t have control over. We couldn’t sell enough food coupons and the ones we sold we had to subsidize. The deficit is directly attributed to the food contract. If all of our conference attendees had bought the food coupons, we would be sitting on a surplus.


Again, I want to thank you all for attending the conference and to the many who were blessed, please continue to support and build this conference.


Blessings!

Mathew Thomas (Binu)