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LAST 2000 YEARS WE ARE TRYING TO SPREAD THE GOSPEL IN INDIA.  SO FAR WE COULD NOT DO ANYTHING BUT TO SCRATCH THE SURFACE. WE HAVE LESS THAN 3% CHRISTIONS IN INDIA.  WHY DO WE HAVE BIG CONVENTIONS AND CRUSADES IN MARAMON, KUMBANADU AND THIRUVALLA.   WHY ARE WE SPENDING MILLIONS EVERY YEAR FOR PCNAK AND FAMILY CONFERENCES.   BILLIONS ARE UNHEARD OF GOSPEL.  DISCUSS WHAT WE CAN WE DO

WE SHOULD CHANNELL OUR RESOURCES TO SPREAD THE GOSPEL.

How can we?  Easy. Seperate 10% of income from all the mega conferences and conventions and use that money for North Indian ministries. Almost every two miles there is one church atleast.  Why still everyone  concentrate in Kerala and why not in North India? Tell you why.  If it is in N. India no one will know about them.  But in Kerala even before they  do anything you can see press conference, news papers etc.. and after that God knows what they are doing.  Many of them goes to Gulf and U.S, collect money and deposit in the "BLADE BANK".  That should be stopped and bring their names through media.  Those who have the will to help evangalize India, don't have money and those who hae money, don't have the will.

Evangelizing India needs a concerted effort, strategy, partnership, resources and above all, honest, dedicated, prayering missionaries. One organization cannot reach all parts of India. The best way is to adopt one place, and do saturation evangelization. start with a small village, city, then district, then regions, then states. if there are other organizations working in a place, leave the work there to them to maximize the use of the resources.

Malayalees have  the money to fund all of indian missions but it is being misused and being spend on buildings. all ministries invest their money in buying big lands and buildings! why? because they cant find other ways to spend the money? if u have too much money, give it others who need it!  dont waste resources. It is sad to see how people raise money and waste it - all in the name of reaching India! How will they stand in front of the judgement seat! 

John G.

 

 

Dear John G. 

You said it right.  We are far away from the goal because we are not using our resources right. Land and Building

never take any body to heaven

Dear John G. 

You said it right.  We are far away from the goal because we are not using our resources right. Land and Building

never take any body to heaven,  What about a prayer chain.  United the entire body of belivers to pray for a state and same time the front end prioneering ninisters penetrate in the the deepest part of the village and destroy the satanic strongholds in the Name of Jesus.

Dear friends

Thanks for all your good comments.

Let me ask you now to come to North India atlest even for a month. Stay here and do the work. More than your money your presence will do.

 

Grow in Him

North Indian Pastor: if people who do not know to share the gospel well, try and come to the north indian villages, they will do more to hinder the gospel than save people. its better for some to stay back and just support and pray for the ministry.

 George K

Dear George K

When

Dear George K

When Cook Saip came to Indian how did he learn the language?

What about William Carey and all those missionaries crosed their cultures and languages.

What I mean is donot employ some one with the little money you are giving. That's been the problem all along.

I want the young people to feel the mission and do the work. Then your money would surely be rewarded.

Grow in Him (North Indian Pastor)

North Indian Pastor - I didnt explain what I meant when I said some people should rather stay away from coming to india . i was referring to the people who come to mission fields to have their photos in the papers...to brag about the mission they did in india 2 days of the 3 weeks of vacation in india. they come to some mission place once a year and then get ordained and is a ministry man. motivation is what matters...

 George K

We failed.  failed utterly,   What we can do now.  Donate money for a TV Channell. Donate money for a bible scholl, donate money for famous pastor friend who visit america or gulf every year.     No way.   We have to have a different strategy.   Tell me north Indian Pastor please what did you so far

American Pastor

Dear American Pastor and George K

Thanks for your valuable inputs. I can understand those people hoping for a twoday mission activity in some places and thier pictures splashed all over the newseekly.

I am not advocating people to come for two days and do the work for just for publicity. I am real and my intentions are clear that young people need to volunteer to go to mission on long and short term. If any Indian origin who has any love for the  motherland should come to India and spread the gospel.

As for me I have been in the ministry for over 22 years in North India. I have travelled to allmost every state in India with living word of God. Trained tens of hundeds of young people for mission work. Established Christian litratures in Hindi languages.Established various ministries and on the board to many leading organizations to spread the gospel with out looking the denominations. My heart is for the gospel for that I would support any one who loves the Lord. (For mission I don't care which church you are affliated as long as you love the Lord and preach Him).

 

Grow in Him (North Indian Pastor)

 

If you did that much work in India. Tell us your name. " At least one person is doing gospel work faithfully."

Also how many times you visit USA and Middile East.

(I don't think you gon't to mention your name because 99% of Pastors are fake and fraud, only for money making

business)

Dear North American Pastor,

Very exciting to read how God is using you in North India. Let me point a few things with regard to Indian Evangelisation.

you mentioned about how God used you to train ' tens of hundeds of young people for mission work '. Praise be to God. I thank God for sending people like you to toil for Gods kingdom. 

My point is those people trained by you, if they are instilled with the same vision as God gave you, then India is evangelized. Let them be accountable to God, but still whenever I hear those numbers in North India, I pray to God for keeping them going forward. For India to be evangelized, there is a need of thousands of christ disciples reaching out those tens of thousands of  villages, contrary to getting flocked in the cities, building so called Mission Pvt Ltd companies!!...

We havent reached out atleast half of the villages in India. As it says in the scripture, " disciples multiplied, inspite of shedding of innocent blood of the disciples, and the growth was an everyday happening!

Pastor, I really envy you for how courageous you are for his kingdom and my only prayer is to send more and more of people like you, who only await their rewards and crowns in heaven. We need more people who are ready to fight and fight till the end for faith.

Lord help me to stand in the faith. I also wish to do my part in Indian Mission, somewhere in India, were lord wants me to go, when he calls me, and where nobody has ever heard the gospel. I am praying for his strength. I am a student in US.

God bless you.

Regards,

jesus freak

this discussion is getting lively, but i believe it will be fruitfull too.. let there be awakening in the minds of everyone.

to the previous post which mentioned a great statement, " 99% of Pastors are fake and fraud " let me make a comment.

every christian has a mission, and its against jesus teaching to judge our fellow brethen. so it would be gods will to quit being critical of our pastors and just keep praying for them. I dont believe that 99 % of pastors are fraud, but not all christians are saints either. Instead,  we need to be vigilant in our prayers, to save our church from those KALLA SAHODARANMARAAL ULLA AAPATHE!!!

Infighting comes from the devil. He likes to divide and rule, whether by doctrine, race, caste, money power, region etc etc. Lets awake against his tricks!!! Does it say Gods church cannot be invaded by the Gates of Hell, where devil and his army sit and plot to spoil Gods chosen people???

There is a growing trend amoung christians, especially pentecostal people, that, whenever they come together for an informal gathering, dinner etc, they have stories of other brothers, their sins , pastors immoral ways, financial frauds etc etc.. what the hell is this??? I too have done it.. but i stopped it when i realised that I was slowly becoming a PHARISEE... Jesus said, PARIISHANMAREE, NINGALKKE  AYOOOO KASHDAM!!! avarude karyam paranjappazhaa karthaave AYYOOOO paranjathe..

We have lots of do instead of joking, mocking, criticising these Rev.s and those greedy people. They ofcourse have made this holy church into ROBBERS CAVES.. But lets allow GOD TO RISE UP, ( first in our lives, our families, home churches, ...) use his CHATTAVAR to whip those filthy businesses out of the church ( lets not be personal in judging those people as God loves them too ) Lets think as Jesus did!! God bless u. keep posting

 jesus freak

I am reding each and every opinion  specially on this subject.  One thing I noticed is the words "Fake", "Fraud" etc..  In my opinion, there is no fake pastors, but they are faking it.  Those who have no idea about "Pravachanam", and when they come to U.S. or Guld, they are all "Pravachakanmaar".  That is faking.  Their intention is not evangalization, but FAT POCKET. The money they pay for the ticket, use it for evangalization.  Those who get money from the foreign trip and deposit in the Blade Bank, get some of the interest and give it to evangalize our country.  IF THERE IS A WILL, THERE IS A WAY.

everything real has counterfeit!! but i rarely see real & sincere people in mission!! wats happening folks??? we need to rise up.. its high time we did something about it.. wat r we so called ' vishwasiis ' going to do about it... i would love to hear from those in the forum...

Ministry is now a very attractive profession, lots of money ( dollars, dirhams, etc ) pouring in, lots of unwanted fame, great power ( even some people have started vote bank politics in kerala too.. some say we are now big in numbers and we need to show our power in politricks.. are we forgetting our savior who said ' my kingdom is not of this world!!!??? ) .....and so on. Even dedicated ministers who start humble beginings, loose direction and vision once they reach a certain position. I heard from someone that a young malu preacher, travelling all over the globe making this statement, ENTE BANK BALANCE 2 CRORE AYI, ENI AARE ENTHE PARANJAALUM ENIKKE ORU PULLUM ILLAANNE!!! ethaane normal trend,.. araaa evanmare valarthunnneee.. NAMMAL VISHWASIKAL!! BOYCOTT THOSE MEN, THEIR MEETINGS CASSETTES, THEIR CHEAP POLITICAL TRICKS, AND FUND RAISINGS!!! BISHOPS, MISSION CENTERS, ESTATES, HUGE PVT BUNGALOWS etc are stealing away all those valuable money supposed to be used to evangelization....

 CRITICISE MATHRAM CHEYTHITTE ORU KARYAVUM ILLA...

if we look back into church history, there has always been these kind of people, but there always were a group of people who stood in the gap with tears,intercession and prayer..let god deal with those people.. we r not jesus christ's to whip them out!! am i rite??? if we dont know to settle our disputes, how are we going to rule the world with Jesus Christ, WE ALL ARE ROYAL PRIESTs.. not some rev.s or rev. rev....

Let us,  believers, organise, unite in prayer, love each other,  and boycott these ungodly leaders....

its getting late, dawn is near, lord is at the door steps, if we wait in silence, god will save the so called sinners of the world, and fill them up with his glory and use them...

I certainly believe GOD IS DOING THAT in his own way. praise be to god....

any comments....???

 

 

I like the above statement. Please don't divert our subject.

HOW CAN WE EVANGALIZE INDIA? Pray! Give and Go!

These are my thoughts. For those who are in India - Pray, encourage each other , Give sacrificially, Spread the Gospel.

For those of in US and Gulf - Pray, PLEASE PLEASE make right judjement before giving money to all leaders and visiting pastors. When I say this, I mean it. I think all oversees believers should take the balme of not evangelizing India yet. Believe it or not, if we add all the money went from US and Kerala in the name of Gospel, we could have spread the Gospel in India atleaset 10 times. Most of the money are in personal accounts and rubber estats and so called bible schools. Sometimes I wonder, why these visitors and leaders don't understand the pain of Nurse who do night shift and husband work at day time and still they both are running for worship services and tithe regularly. Oh my God when will the eyes of these people open? Beleivers, please hear me out, Please don't write checks to anyone who come and cry for thier personal ministries. Ask them how many souls came to the Lord in last month through your ministry. Understand their motivation. Most of them have their heartbreaking story.

You might ask now, so what are you doing on this subject. I practice what I preach. That says all !

God Bless!

-Thomaskutty

Like Thomaskutty and other person said, lets look at what the believers can do. Rather than just blaming and pointing fingers, we the believers have a role to play in evangelization and also in the future of our churches. We really really need to pray a lot. I am sure there are many people who are sincerely serving the Lord. We only know the 100 who steal but not the 1000s  that are sincere. Lets not limit God..He will fulfill His work in India and nobody can stop it, be the government or robbing ministries. We as believers can ask for God's guidance in how we can be an effective tool. How about asking for spirit of discernment so that we can know between right and wrong, true and fake, real and imposters.

 In whatever we do, may His name be glorified. At the end of our lives, lets be able to say that we have done our master's bidding and did ALL we can for furtherance of the Kingdom.

George.

by  the way, for those who got lost like me trying to find the latest post, at the top of the screen there is an option to choose to sort the posts by newest to oldest which brings the newer ones to the top.

I agree with Thomas.  I don't know which one is the new one and which is old.  Web master, pls. sort it out new from old.that helps.

Thanks to George for bringing up a good point.

 

At the same time we must encourage evangalization of India.  Let us have a list of North Indian ministries and their works.  Then we should sort them which one need more help and we should help.  If we cannot go and do it , let us help those can go there and spread the work of God.

Let me go back to the North Indian Pastors statement ' tens of thousands of people trained for ministry", that where we have to look into.

If these people were living today then we can agree what he is saying (Great Men of God Late Pastor M.K. Chacko, Late Acharia Dr. Thomas Mathew, Udyapur or Pastor Kurian Thomas, Itarsi).

He is playing a ministry game. He don't even trained hundred people, may be ten. I agree with the statement about the sacrifice giving to the church and the mission. Yes overseas Pentecostal believers working hard day and night and supporting so many ministries. But watch out the comments like the North Indian Pastor. Don’t give our money to thieves.

 

When I started this subject How to evangalise India I never thought that our dear brothers and Pastors are ever interesting in this suject. Now I see lot of ideas. It am thrilled in  my heart that people have a passion for the a perishing souls in India.   Very good postings.  Keep on post and disuss. Great Men of God Late Pastor M.K. Chacko, Late Acharia Dr. Thomas Mathew, Udyapur or Pastor Kurian Thomas, Itarsi.are my heroes. What about apostole PM Samuel Lion like preachers  Pastor K E Abraham and Pastor PD Johnson

I love all the suggestions

Pastor American

Dear friends

This is piece of work is particular to those who remained anonymous and dared me to show the identity. What a shame on you to ask me to reveal

my identity when you don't tell who you are and at least from where you are?

I have told in every post I am an North Indian Pastor. So you must have at least the wisdom to guess that I am working in North India.

Let me answer his question how many times I have visited US and middle east?

Though I don't understand why he meant by asking this question? (Whether he thinks that, only he can visit US and stay there) Let me tell one

more thing out of 20% of all those Indian Emigrants settled in USA have gone there genuinely. Rest of them have gone there using fraudulent

manner. If you claim that you have not done it, look for your father, brothers or some one who sponsored you. If they have done anything

unethically and you enjoy the fruit of their labor, you are also wrong. Don't judge!! Jesus said take your beams first before you go and take the

speck out of your brothers. (Don't dare to blame all those ministers of God working India-) Don't bring unpleasant moments for yourself.

Let me answer his question,- I have visited two times to USA, together my visits lasted just three months. So you will be able to  guess me what

kind of person I am?

As for those people who have questioned about my credibility to train ten of thousands of your people across the country , I have nothing to say to

them except those my fruits in the ministry. In fact you would come across couple of dozens in US also.

I enjoyed the fellowship of Late pastor Thomas Mathew, very close to my heart and all those people. But understand that they were not the only and

they are not the only and they will not be the only mission warriors.

 To Jesus freaks-, God would surely show you His plan. My prayers will be with you.

 

Grow my friends

 

North Indian Pastor

 

 

I need a correction-

Let me tell one

more thing out of 20% of all those Indian Emigrants settled in USA have gone there genuinely.

Please stand corrected. It is only 20% of all those Indian Emigrants settled in USA have gone there genuinely.

 

North Indian Pastor

Are we fighting each other instead of addressing the very subject?

To have discussion on the credibility of individuals, please open an another thread.

Cherian