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  •  06-21-2007, 4:52 AM 2199 in reply to 2198

    Re: Why is jewelry such a big deal? Isn't it really hypocrisy?

    Also... Sorry but this is the last post of mine on this topic and any other response to me (on this topic) will not be entertained/replied to....

    Evg. Prakash.

  •  06-21-2007, 4:59 AM 2200 in reply to 2187

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    This post of yours is an argument against yourself.

     

  •  06-22-2007, 1:56 AM 2204 in reply to 2200

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    dear men of god,

    let's not personalize the issues. divisions of opinion is bound to remain as we all are different individuals, even there was sharp disagreement between paul and barnabas, the early apostles. lets take the guidance of holy spirit the one who is in all of us.

    lets use this discussion board for positive things and for spiritual growth.

    as for this particular topic, the subject istself answers "what's the big deal". let us leave this issue to the personal decision of individual believers - wether to adorn jewellery or not.

    there are very important issues in this discussion board. i had posted a last thread in "how to evangalize india". yet to evoke a response.

    keep praying, god bless,

    samson

  •  06-26-2007, 3:33 PM 2220 in reply to 2198

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    "My best wishes to you all of you who want to continue argue and place your personal opinions in this board rather than quotes from Bible.  You guys dont want to follow Bible and its doctrines, but just want to show-up that you know something better than God and Bible" - brother, just quoting some scriptures does not make one the person who made an argument from  the scriptures. It is true that you quoted some scriptures but you took it so much out of context and gave the wildest interpretations to the point of being funny. Everyone can quote " tremendous amount of Bible verses" to make a personal opinion but since we fear God, we didn't want to quote some random verses in defense of our "personal opinions". What you presented were your own opinions - not based on the Bible or its teachings...you misquoted and misinterpreted scriptures without any thought. Brother, where would stupid arguments like " they were wearing jewelry, they sinned and therefore jewelry is sin!" fly? They were wearing clothes when they sinned and so why not even say clothes are sin.

    Best wishes to you too.

     Mathew

  •  06-30-2007, 3:17 PM 2236 in reply to 2182

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    Dear Annie

    Did you start reading Revelation from Chapter 17 onwads?

    Read it from the beginning. See Ch. 1 : 12, 13.

    12 Then I turned to see [whose was] the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands,

    13 And in the midst of the lampstands [One] like a Son of Man, clothed with a robe which reached to His feet and with a girdle of gold about His ***.

    Do you still think it is a sin to wear gold.

    GJ

  •  06-30-2007, 3:18 PM 2237 in reply to 2182

    Re: Why is jewelry such a big deal? Isn't it really hypocrisy?

    Dear Annie

    Did you start reading Revelation from Chapter 17 onwads?

    Read it from the beginning. See Ch. 1 : 12, 13.

    12 Then I turned to see [whose was] the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands,

    13 And in the midst of the lampstands [One] like a Son of Man, clothed with a robe which reached to His feet and with a girdle of gold about His chest.

    Do you still think it is a sin to wear gold.

    GJ

  •  07-17-2007, 10:32 AM 2302 in reply to 2237

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    Annie, Prakash...they won't get it...they are the modern day pharisees! they hold to culture and tradition and mix it with God's Word. The sad part is they don't realize it has no biblical basis and at the same time, they don't even know the noble reasoning used when such traditions were created. How many people have we turned away from the church because of these silly things. If we don't want to wear it, don't wear it. Why use our standards of spirituality to measure others? Use God's word ! and let God judge! Churches are to welcome people to come to Christ and not repel them. In 2 generations, there will not be half the number of malayalee pentecostals as we see today...they will all go to new generation churches or english churches. It will be too late then and we will regret holding on these silly things and man made criteria for spirituality.

    Concerned Pente

  •  07-24-2007, 6:20 AM 2338 in reply to 2302

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    Sworgeeya Dhwoni,

    You should immediately close this Stupid Forum without any delay.  Nobody is listening to anybody here.  Malayalees may go anywhere in the world, they dont change their attitude and that is the reason everyone argues in this forum.  Do you think anybody is benefitted???  Close it please.

    Mammen, NJ

  •  07-24-2007, 1:54 PM 2340 in reply to 2338

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    There is nothing wrong with wearing jewelry and coming to church. It all depends on your church belief. In my opinion, I don't think it is fair to limit people with jewelry. I don't mind seeing someone with a ring or chain. I will not loose an ounce of my faith due to that. I am not going to church to see nobodys ring. Church is a place for worship and alone. I have decided not to wear anything and I will not change my mind even if I see more jewelery in my church or on my friends. Glad to see different opinion on this issue. Lets drop this and start something else.

     

  •  07-25-2007, 1:22 AM 2342 in reply to 2340

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    Dear friends in Christ,

    There is no need of much arguement on whether or not to wear jewellery, as the children of God who are redeemed by the Blood of Christ in no more under any law including the Mosaic Laws. All the laws were crucified along with Christ and he has set us free from laws. So no one needs to impose any set of new or old laws to any one who is born in Christ. So does that mean he can live a life as he wishes. No the answer is that a child of God is the one who leads a life which is led by the Holy Spirit and not by any man made laws. So if the Holy Spirit speaks to you to remove that gordy looking bracelet or chain then obey what He says. If the Holy Spirirt does not ask you to do it then dont.

    I am telling this out of my experience when the Holy Spirit asked me to remove a big bracelt i had in my hand, because the bracelt used to stand out when i used to raise my hand during worship. Where as i still have a gold chain. It's not the external thing that makes you Holy or unholy but what's in your heart. So all the Born agains try to lead a life that's purely driven by the Holy Spirit.

  •  07-25-2007, 8:32 AM 2345 in reply to 2342

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    Your holy spirit looks like a special funny one that talks about ornamens and bracelets!!!!!  Funny enough.!!!   Confused

    The holy spirit that is sent by Jesus Christ to this earth on the day of pentecost (Acts 2) is to guide and lead the church -  not to talk about bracelets, pants, shoes, hairstyles... etc. 

    Ask the your funny holyspirit if you can drink Brandy and go to church, it may allow you also.  How come your holy spirit only saw the "big bracelet" and cannot see the golden ring that you still have? 

    Does it also talk to you about your teeth, nails, clothes, and which shampoo you should use, which after-shave you should use, which milk (full fat or fat free) you should buy, etc?

    IPC

  •  07-25-2007, 8:34 AM 2346 in reply to 2302

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    dont worry concerned pente, you will always be concerned....  even when you will reach hell, there is plenty of time for you to be concerned.

    Annie

  •  07-25-2007, 11:23 AM 2347 in reply to 2346

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    I don't know why malayalee IPC old pentecostal believers are making this jewelery issue a big deal. Every other groups from all other parts of the world don't have an issue with this. Why these people not jumping on divorce and other more important moral issues. Which is more important? I guess I can go ahead and sleep with other women and don't wear jewelery sure put me in heaven? Why anyone worry so much about other members and church. Worry about you and your family. Don't worry about me wearing ring, necklace. It is my money that I am spending. If you don't want me to come to your church, then, I will go to a church that accept me as who I am. It is between you and God and once again, you are going to church to worship not checking what other people are wearing.

     I hope people should bury this issue and start focusing on their life with God.

  •  07-25-2007, 10:51 PM 2351 in reply to 2345

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    God bless you for your great interpretation of Holy SpiritSurprise that He is a funny one.

    Remember blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven.So God bless you.

  •  07-26-2007, 1:49 AM 2352 in reply to 2351

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    dear men of god,

    why drag holy spirit into this issue.

    let each one do as per what he understands from the scriptures.

    samson 

     

  •  09-12-2007, 5:42 AM 2574 in reply to 2347

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    ALL MALAYALEE PENTECOSTALS START WEARING JEWELLERY.

    THERE'S NOTHING THAT YOU WILL NOT GO TO HEAVEN IF YOU START WEARING JEWELLERY.

    IF 10% STARTS WEARING, THEN BE ASSURED, REST WILL FOLLOW.

    BE BRAVE ENOUGH FOR A CHANGE.

    WHO WILL BELL THE CAT.

    WHO WILL?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

     

  •  09-12-2007, 9:56 AM 2575 in reply to 2574

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    :) A lot of mallu pentecostals use jewellery once they leave kerala. The other day, i heard one of the 'role model' daddy from our church saying to his daughter that it is wrong to use nail varnish. I was amazed at this as most of the pentecostals use them and the ones who do not show it off mostly use the colourless one.I am sure our God is not someone who can be angry for using nail varnish/jewellery or something stupid like this.

  •  09-12-2007, 3:25 PM 2576 in reply to 2345

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    My dear friend

    I am so sad to read about your comments about "PRECIOUS HOLY SPIRIT". When you speak about HOLY SPIRIT be carefull. Don't ever use the name of HOLY SPIRIT it vain and it is a great sin that Our God never forgives.

    You can say anything againt Jewellary or you can support wearing jewellary from your views and the Word of God. But don't say not even a single word that grives HOLY SPIRIT. sometimes you may have done with ignorance. Please ask God's Forgiveness

     Alex California 

     

  •  09-19-2007, 6:40 AM 2583 in reply to 2576

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    Hai beloved,

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    Thanks & God bless

    Godly

  •  11-16-2007, 11:28 PM 2662 in reply to 2199

    Re: Why is jewelry such a big deal? Isn't it really hypocrisy?

    Do you know what the Bible says about them?

    From the earliest days, jewelry was a blessing from God

    It was a beautiful bracelet he drew carefully out of the tapestry bag. Rebekah gasped at the sight of it, because somehow she instantly knew this stranger was going to give it to her. He respectfully took her wrist and lifted it with his left hand while he slid the bracelet smoothly over her hand. It was solid gold.

    "Crafted in Syria," he explained, "and very valuable." She didn't need to be told. She had always admired her grandmother's jewelry, but only in her fondest dreams could she think of having any of her own.

    Abraham's gifts to Rebekah were fine jewelry

    While she studied it, she couldn't ignore the fact that Eliezer was still digging in the tapestry bag. When he produced another bracelet, identical to the first, she was dumbfounded. He placed it on her other wrist. And reached into the bag again. This time an exquisitely designed earring, a one-of-a-kind to be sure, was laid in her hand. It was fine gold, trimmed in a silver design, carefully inlaid with a ruby, an emerald and a diamond. It was gorgeous.

    Her ears had been pierced since she was a baby, but all she ever wore in them was a pair of simple onyx studs. She nervously fumbled with each earlobe until she had the old piece out. Eliezer's compatriot thoughtfully pulled a looking glass from his camel pouch, and held it for her while she helped her donor place the new one in. It was hard to say what sparkled more, the jewels, or Rebekah's eyes. Suddenly, her subtle comeliness illuminated into stunning beauty.

    Abraham was wealthy in silver and gold

    Eliezer's whole entourage had been standing around all the while, quietly observing the presentation. Suddenly, there was a burst of cheers and applause as they uniformly acknowledged how well suited she was to the elegant garnishings, and more importantly, at Eliezer's good fortune in finding such an obviously outstanding young woman for his master's son.

    Little did she know that these were only tokens of a wealth of fine things that would eventually be bestowed upon her. Abraham was very rich, not only in his livestock, but in much silver and gold. (Genesis 13:2). He would spare no expense in lavishing his wealth upon his only daughter-in-law. Abraham's generosity evidently reflected the very heart of God on these matters.

    Joseph was rewarded in Pharaoh's court with Gold and Jewelry

    Years later, Abraham's great-grandson, Joseph, was selected to be used of God. It was God Himself who instigated Joseph's rise to power in Pharaoh's court. His family had impudently denounced him as a dreamer. But through Sovereign arrangement, Joseph would inevitably wear Pharaoh's priceless ring and golden necklace: God's reward to Joseph for serving His purpose.

    The fleeing Israelites spoiled the Egyptians of much precious jewelry

    Two hundred years later, Israel's descendants numbered in the hundreds of thousands - even millions. But times had changed, and Egypt had been hard on them. Yet these were the people of God, and they were under an eternal directive. Their future prosperity was sealed in prophetic guarantees. "Moses, instruct all the women, that on the night before you flee the land, they are to take a spoil of all the jewelry of the Egyptian women. I want them to have great and valuable possessions when they go. Be sure they all understand that I am with them. The jewelry will be a sign to them that I am generous to my people" (see Exodus 11:2 and 12:36).

    Afterward, a strange thing happened. Moses was called up into Mount Sinai, and for days, no one heard from him. Everyone expected him back shortly, but this was ridiculous. Nobody had seen or heard from Moses in weeks. What was going on? Moses carried unprecedented authority over these Hebrews. Aaron was beginning to wonder how he got by with it. As long as everybody did everything Moses said, fine. But if they didn't, Moses could be a monster. And at no time would it be more evident than the day he finally came down from the mountain, and found them partying, recklessly, with no thought or care about what God thought of their reveling.

    Their jewelry became the idols of the Israelites

    The most awesome thing they had done. The most valuable gifts God had given them, they had turned into idols! Those crazy people had already forgotten God and His fabulous mercy, and had now molded a golden calf out of a large quantity of their jewelry, and were dancing around, having the time of their life, imagining that this golden calf had actually been their deliverance from Egypt.

    The Holy Spirit was so utterly grieved at their foolishness that he must have literally gloated in Moses' fury toward them. In fact, if Moses hadn't mercifully intervened, God would have destroyed them then and there. Moses' righteous indignation flared, and he angrily forced them to grind the golden calf to dust, scatter the powder in water, and drink it! (Genesis 32:20). It was as if he was saying, "God's Spirit might have dwelled within you, but now you will be filled with your phony god! I hope you get sick!"

    Not to be mocked, God then threatened to remove the presence of His Cloud by day, and Fire by night, warning them that if they didn't take off all their ornaments immediately, he just might come down and destroy them all. (Genesis 33:1-6). In a dramatic act of national repentance, all Israel quickly stripped themselves of all their jewelry. God was appeased.

    The next related incident was that God instructed Moses to take up a free-will offering for the construction of the tabernacle. At the top of the long list of suggested items: "GOLD!" He was not forcing it out of them, but the suggestion was conspicuously specific. They took the hint, because "every man that offered, offered an offering of gold unto the Lord." (Exodus 35:22). And not just portions of what they owned, but they brought "all jewels of gold" to the Lord (verse 22).

    To say that was the end of the matter would be incorrect. For in the centuries to come, as surely as their military victories included the spoils of precious jewelry in great wealth, God strictly imposed upon them to bring it to Him. "Moses and Eliezer the priest took the gold of them, even all wrought jewels" (Numbers 31:51). Even though the men had taken these spoils, "every man for himself", they were collected, "what every man had gotten, of jewels of gold, chains, and bracelets, rings, earrings, and tablets" (perhaps gold beads) "to make an atonement for our souls before the Lord" (verse 50).

    God Declared Jewelry an Abomination

    Now, anyone should know that jewels can't buy salvation, so we must deduce that their offering was somehow intended to be a reprieve for their past idolatry of jewelry. God eventually verbalized his hatred for the sight of jewelry on his people. He forbad them to keep jewelry as spoils of war. "Thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therein: for it is an abomination to the Lord thy God. Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing" (Deuteronomy 7:25,26).

    Even the kings were forbidden to accumulate personal collections of jewelry In the eventuality that God would set up kings over Israel, each was instructed in advance not to "greatly multiply to himself silver and gold" (Deuteronomy 17:17). Solomon would later transgress, and it would cost him his relationship with God. In the next generation, Joshua pronounced the sentence of death by stoning and by fire upon Achan and his entire family. The charge: keeping in their possession precious gold and silver, instead of turning it over to the treasury of the Lord. (Joshua 7:21).

    Gideon sinned by desiring jewelry

    Gideon was a mighty man of valor, greatly used of God, but in his latter years, Gideon made a request of the men of Israel: "that you would give me every man the earrings of his prey". They spread a garment, and threw in golden earrings, ornaments, collars, even the chains from the camels' necks. Gideon had a priestly vestment molded from it all, and "all Israel went a whoring after it: which thing became a snare unto Gideon, and to his house" (Judges 8:24-27).

    The Bible reveals a trend against jewelry

    Every time Israel began to possess jewelry, it became an occasion for spiritual decline, through some form of vanity such as pride, sensuality or idolatry. It literally turned their hearts away from God. The evidence grows, that jewelry became increasingly offensive to God. Gideon had requested the jewels of the Ishmaelites. Note that "they had gold earrings because they were Ishmaelites". The strong implication is that the Jews didn't have earrings.

    God never forgot the mockery associated with jewelry.

    Ezekiel refreshed the issue, reminding them that God had girded them with fine linen, "and covered thee with silk. I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain upon thy neck. And I put a jewel upon thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thy head. Thus was thou decked with gold and silver" (Ezekiel 16, see also Hosea 2:13). God raged over the fact that they played the harlot, committing spiritual and physical whoredoms with them. Nowhere in the Old Testament did God ever give them permission to take back their jewelry.

    Did God drop his objections to jewelry in the New Testament?

    Evidently not, since Paul for some reason admonished, "...that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair" (a hairstyle interwoven with jewels), "or gold, or pearls, or costly array; but (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works." (I Timothy 2:9).

    Are all ornaments undesirable?

    The only ornaments we can be sure are allowed are spiritual in nature: "even the ornament of a meek and quite spirit which is in the sight of God of great price" ( see I Peter 3:1-4). Peter confessed that "silver and gold, have I none" (Acts 3:6), while Paul stated, "I have coveted no man's gold or silver" (Acts 20:33). Jesus instructed the disciples to leave gold and silver out of their ministerial baggage in Matthew 10:9.

    Here are several reasonable conclusions:

    • 1. God originally lavished jewelry upon those he favored.
    • 2. Israel consistently abused the privilege by idolizing their jewelry, or somehow turning it into an abomination before God.
    • 3. God turned against their ever owning it, with the sole exceptions of it being allowed with some restrictions in the treasury of the king's palace, and with no restrictions in the treasury of the Lord's house, where it belonged.
    • 4. God has consistently objected to private possession of it, ever since Aaron's golden calf. Men have been condemned repeatedly for possessing it.
    • 5. The New Testament carries the same spirit and attitude forward, of God's displeasure with ornaments, and his pleasure with spiritual virtue in their place.

    The personal possession of jewelry or ornaments was shown to induce vanity, pride, sensuality and idolatry - vices no Christian would want. Alternately, we are offered the privilege of wearing the most beautiful of all ornamentation: the virtues of Godliness, which are many and multi-faceted. While the natural eye relishes outward garnishing, and criticizes comeliness and shamefacedness, the Spirit of the Lord scarcely acknowledges store-bought beauty, but lavishes praise on spiritual virtue.

    While no one can deny the natural beauty of a fine piece of jewelry, nor berate its value in material terms, it is important to remember whose eyes we seek to please. The ornaments He thinks are beautiful have never been crafted by even the finest jeweler!

    AFTERTHOUGHT: Maybe the same arguments apply to body piercings and even tattoos. "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD," Deuteronomy 19:28.

    Shaji Kolarethu

    Jeddah, Saudi Arabia

  •  11-17-2007, 1:51 AM 2663 in reply to 2662

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    Please change the reference mentioned above Genesis 32:20 and Genesis 33:1-6 as Exodus 32:20 and Exodus 33:1-6 accordingly. 

    May GOD bless you all..

    Shaji Kolarethu

    Jeddah

  •  11-18-2007, 11:44 PM 2669 in reply to 2662

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    Very nice, Read the New Testament too- may the story of the Prodigal Son etc

    Then some church History and Jewish History- and find out what it says and all  your interpretation of all those passages. 

    Don't think you are the only one who knows what the bible says- don't speak like 'the frog in  kerala pentecostal well'.

    John Mathew 

  •  11-24-2007, 5:31 AM 2676 in reply to 298

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    Beloved in Christ Jesus,

    Please go thru this below written "Women & Jewellery" project. Strictly speaking, gold is forbidden because gold symbolizes the goddess of wealth. Please try to remember begining of our Pentecost and its revival in India.

    Women and Jewelry

    In Indian traditional values