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  •  04-17-2008, 12:39 AM 3137 in reply to 1210

    Re: Article about Robin Uthappa - Not with right Intention

    Pastor M A Vaughese has uploaded a study on curses and Blessings on the Bethel webiste

    www.BethelAGIndia.org

  •  04-17-2008, 1:00 AM 3138 in reply to 3088

    Re: Article about Robin Uthappa - Not with right Intention

    Dear Lintu,

    The information that Bangalore Church has brought 5 acres of land is wrong.

    They have purchased three and a half acres of land in the prime locality in Bangalore North on the Ring Road.

    The price they paid in 2004 April was an amount of Rs. 1 crore eighty two lacs. All the accounts of the Church are audited by Dr. Charles Prabakhar and Associates. The land appears in the balance sheet of the Bethel AG Church.

    It is publicly announced and displayed in the General Body meeting every year.

    As the property was a revenue land, it was registered according to the recommendation by the committee members of the Church then, in accordance with the consultation with the auditors.

    There is litigation over the property from government agencies, land vendors, land sharks and mafia. That family does not harp on these things to make noise and get the attention of the people.

    I am personally acquainted with the family and they deal with the case facing risk from death threats to time wasted in courts and police stations. That family needs prayers from believers from all over the world who would stand together to seek the kingdom of God in India.

    I am sure that I am not coerced to attend Church there and as a professional working in a multi-national company I have many options to choose from the moment I see arrogance or pride in Ptr. MA Varughese. I still see him riding his motorbike while he can afford to use a car. I sit in his house and talk to him. People can approach him anytime. He is approachable whenever he is available.

    I do not understand what he has to lie about. He has decided to lose everything in life for the gospel. What should he lie for? What is he trying to gain?

     

    MCS

  •  05-28-2008, 12:11 PM 3291 in reply to 3138

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    Dear everyone

    I completely agree with MCS. As an old member of Bethel AG Church, I have seen how the church has grown over the years. Its by God's grace and by the Pastor M A Varghese's faith in God. The church would not have grown so big if God's power was not there with the Pastor. Because Bethel wanted to have a concrete church of their own, Pastor agreed to purchase the land and every member knows that its not for his own personal gain. He is made a scapegoat by accusing him of acquiring the land. Pastor M A Varghese is faithful to his church, above all, to God. He has left everything, including his job for Christ. Pastor M A Varghese will get his reward from God. Whoever accuses him for nothing will pay the price. Remember, Holy Bible says 'Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.' Matthew 5:11 .
    God is watching everything and he will pay everyone their due, on time. There are many who bear false witnesses and also try to break the unity of the church. But God is with the church and His children, and He will not allow it to happen. The church's prayers will keep it going and Satan's temptations will not affect it. God will strengthen Pastor M A Varghese even more, for His name to be glorified.

    'The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished.' 2 Peter 2:9

     An ardent follower of Jusus Christ and a concerned member of Bethel AG Church!

  •  06-24-2008, 4:36 AM 3540 in reply to 3291

    Re: Article about Robin Uthappa - Not with right Intention

    Hi all...

    search for " Robin uthappa testimony' and "Mahesh Bhupathi Testimony" on youtube

     

  •  08-04-2008, 8:01 PM 3878 in reply to 3066

    Re: Article about Robin Uthappa - Not with right Intention

    Dear All,

    From many days I gone through all the write-ups and concerns that rouse towards one of the largest church in Bangalore, I felt it’s the right time to answer these baseless questions. At first I would like to say that many of you are unaware of many things.

     

    Dear very “concerned Beth elite” & to all others who are very much interested to know the facts.

     

    1)      The word of God taught here is in its complete fullness and richness. If any one has any doubt please do visit and attend the Sunday services for yourselves.

     

    2)      Baptism is given only after preaching the complete gospel as did by Apostle Philip with eunuch at the river side, I am sorry to say one of our very concerned Beth elite took baptism without hearing the gospel or else he would have not commented on Robin, its definitely pastors duty to correct if someone goes wrong, but certainly its not your duty to post such as these instead when you had found, you should have corrected him and shared the word that you known, that is what our bible say, if he not corrected then you should have spoken to your pastor, I think none of these you did, its just shows how much concern are you for your fellow brother. So I feel you are the person to be blamed for all these.

     

    3)      In resent few meeting the senior Pastor came out with the written proof saying why and for what reason he is taking hard decisions with people who are not keeping the basic teaching of a Christian faith, dear concerned Beth elite pay attention in the church so that you won’t have doubts.

     

     

    4)      In one of the general bodies meeting which held after Sunday service, it was quite interesting to see that few people who use to propagate false things regarding Sr. pastor attended the meeting and was speechless when the facts were pronounced and it was as written in proverbs 24:7Fools cannot understand wisdom. They have nothing to say when people are discussing important things”. But immediately after that few people in groups & in mobiles got active and it was as written in proverbs 24:8,9 if you start planning ways to do wrong, people will learn that you are a troublemaker. Such foolish plans are wrong, and people have no respect for someone who laughs at what is right”. Dear concerned Beth elite is you one among these?

     

     

    5)      I tried to collect the details regarding those who left the church, my findings revealed “only for money, fame and to settle with a name and bank balance ” and those who was thrown out was because they where not died in sin fully and don’t wanted to apologize to the congregation for the wrong they did. Once again my dear concerned Beth elite as you referred “For a matter of fact, anyone who raises a question against the feelings and teachings of an individual and his personal interests, the next minute he is defamed publicly by Ptr.MAV and his sons (sorry for mentioning his name) and put to shame and forced to leave the church. We saw it even last Sunday  what a great concern, dear friend I think I should have taken you along with me to find the fact, if you are really concerned then  please give me one name whom you think that without reason  was thrown out of the church , I  assure you I will give you his complete history for what reason he was gone out or thrown out of the church.

     

    6)      Many ask why can’t Church forgive those who did wrong to the children of God          

    and  to the church. In fact the church wants to forgive these people and give them a chance. But as the word teaches us  at first people of such kind should ask forgiveness to the entire church and promise that again they will not commit the same or  other.

     

     

    I feel the only mistake that pastor has committed is not to reveal the reason for the people who left or thrown out of the church and this one he did only because he

    Was not interested to bring a bad name and also to protect them from the public or else they would had a very hard time.

     

     

     

    Note: For those who are not related to this church better keep away and pray for your fellow brothers in Christ Jesus and also pray that God’s will be done in your life, dear lintu look in to your own life and work for the kingdom of God with a great passion and with the vision that God gave you, I think already your question has been answered.

    So dear for unwanted things don’t break your head instead pray to God, where you are planted be faithful and with full energy work for the Lord.

     

    I like to say to those who are saved, God has a plan and purpose for your life, that’s the reason he plants every one of us in a church. God appointed pastor’s with a vision to lead the church to establishing his work in all the areas and God wants all of us to be a strong pillar and a great support for fulfilling his purpose. But our old enemy satan will never like to see the fulfillment of the God’s plan thus he uses his old weapon to bring division in fast growing churches by using few weak people by many means. As paul said we are aware of these so we  should stand united to fight the power of darkness.

     

     

    Thanks, for any truth finding please contact,

    Find the Fact.

    A2008

     

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