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As the situations prevailed in the pentecosatl ministry is changed much in compare to the earlier days, I feel it is the high time to consider about implementation of some centralised scale of pay for the church ministers as well as for approved evangelists.The resource for this payment of the salary may be developed by the church council by taking the stock of the financial positio of the individual  local churches.When oneestablished local church is available in a particular place then approval shouldn't be given for another one within the same juridiction of the church.For  fixing the juridiction of the church some reasonable distance may be fixed according to the population and transport facility.It should not be less than 5 kms radius.If we restrict to some logical conditions then we can reduce the requirement of many buildings and unnecessary wasting of funds for construction and other amenities.If we follow some ethics then we can utilise the available funds for useful purpose  like helping the missionaries as well as local church's developments in addition to helping of poor brotheren.What is the requirement of a church building next to another already exists.Nowadays it became normal practice to get approved by the general concil /state council for anyone come with a proposal to have a church with in the reach of another one because of some difference of opinion with the believers / pastor of the church.many atimes then new church will be attached to some other district too.I wonder why this district was formed in the Pentecostal Ministries? . I remember it was formed for easy follow up and guidance of the local churches by the leadership.For avoiding confrontation among the districts it is advisable to give some juridiction for the district too.It should be made according to the topography and  should be in line  local govt's  taluk.One district in one Taluk juridiction.Then it will be nice and in llogical for the administrative purpose.The prevailing situations in the council of giving permission tto the local churches for selecting the districts may be stopped and district juridiction may be followed as per the convenience of the topographical location.If we decide to implement some changes in the administration arena we can reduce a lot of unnecessary expenditure.

As there is disparity in the income/revenue of the churches and hence income for the church ministers also varies with the churches.If we decide to implement some sort of scale for the Pastors and the disparity can be avoided and all pastors will be happy to get posted to any churches irrespective of the place or size of the membership.Funds for the salary may be raised within the church machinary

1) by centralised accounting of revenue of the individual churches.

2)by strict instruction to the evangelists/ pastors of the church to reveal the account of the revenue while on tour to abroad. They may be asked to remit the part of their revenue to the church positively.

3)Encourage believers to associate with the church activities and discourage them from entertaining unapproved visitors  coiming under the disguise of Man of God.? evangelists.

4)All the contributions  for the approved  visitors may be routed only through the local church with proper accounting.

5)Big churches may be encouraged to donate a good sum regularly for the salary fund.

6) the funds which is raised  for the salary / allowances of the church ministers may be deposited seperately and accounted seperately.

I strongly believe if such a step is taken by the pentecostal churches in general the value of the Ministry will certainly increase and the ministers will be more free to concentrate on the ministerial works which will be good for the general publics.

If all the contributed funds of the believers are pooled in the central account then the church can take many good projects for the beniefits of the believers as well as for the general public which one important duty of the church in principle.

 Nowadays the funds contributed by the believers from their teith goes to many hands and it gets accumalated with some leaders without proper accounting or accountability to the church.If all the  funds of the belivers comes to the common pool it will help to widen the gospel works and help the needy instead of accumalte with one elite group.Once the church has enough funds we can think of having our own private cars/ vehicles to the leaders in line with other episcopal churches.

I understand that the amount comes from the believers in the pentecosatal churches as a whole are many fold more that the revenue of othere episco-pal churches.But as there is no centralised pool of fund believers giving their contributions to the individuals viz.pastors, visitors, mission works, mission projects, evangelical organisation etc. 

As there is no machinary for taking care of the pastors alike, pastors in the poor churches  suffers for their day to day needs  and for their requirements for ducation of children, marriage of their daughter, construction of a house etc.Hence it is hightime to think about implementing salary scheme for the pastors in line with the episcopal churches.

your healthy suggestions/ critcism are appreciated

THE SPIRITUAL ADMINISTRATION IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THAN WORLDLY.

TILL JESUS AS OUR COMMON LEADER ARRIVES, THIS WAY OF INSTABILITY CONTINUES AND WILL NOT DEFEAT THE CHURCH.

as a follower of christ we all have pain in situations but he will solve everything as he comes.

only we can keep holiness and work for the kingdom with power.

The suggestions are great if can be implemented. but, practically, it will be difficilt to implement in pentecostal churches. then there will fight for salary scale promotions, fight for higher scale churches etc( it already goes on, it will now be formalised). at best, it can be implemented at the disttrict level maybe in a few at a trial basis.

 george

what about nonpentecostal churches, everything is going ok.????..beco'z of good administration.

spiritual uplift needed.

It is no doubt that there is no unnecessary misgivings and confrontation for the allotment of churches to the pastors in the well administrated episcopal churches.Their wellbeing is taken care by the church administration and hence they are not getting involved in  finding ways for the private fund accumalation.( I mean the majority of the church pastors of the episcopal churches).But in the pentecosatl churches except in the TPM church there is a tendency of getting involved in the fund collection for their own purpose by the pastors is increasing.They visit the believers and churches under the auspicious of the church ministry and coz of their influence in the church circle they will be able to mobilise huge funds from the believers.This fund will go to their private accounts instead of going or utilised for the church growth.One may remeber this fund has come from a common believer's tieth..

There is exception for the TPM pastors as they are not involved in such type of collection and accumalation of funds as they don't have any sort of  family burden.Hence the full money contributed by the believers of TPM church is being utilised for the welfare of church and its workers. Once I happened to visit a TPM faith home for halting a night with them.I was very happy to notice that they had very good menu for the dinner.They are seems to be well taken care by including the meat, milk, fruits etc. in their menu.

On the contrary recently I was with one  of IPC church in a coastal rural area ( only three families as members), then my wife told me that the sister( wife of the pastor) was rushed to the nearby shop for getting rice immediately after the worship service on sunday.It shows the financial status of the Pastor's family is very poor and waiting for some ways for the financial need.This situation prevails only with a few who are ministering in the interior and low income churches.If we have some machinery of distribution of the salary  for the church pastors in general then there will be some relief for the pastors and their families.If we can't implement the scheme of salary for all the pastors, then it is imminent to consider of paying minimum salary/ allowances for the pastors who are ministering in the churches with less number of believers.( The number of believers or income of the church may be fixed for the distribution of the allowance).

I personally feel it is the responsibility of the church administration to take care of the church workers welfare too.When the leaders are enjoying the goodness of the believers they should think about the workers who ministers under hardships. Hence I strongly agree with the proposal of implmentation of some pay package for the Church Pastors.

May God Bless you abundantly.

Varghese

Dear Readers, Pentecostal leadership,

Greetings in the Name of the Lord and saviour Jesus Christ!

It was nice to come across with the posting about consideration of implementing of a salary system for the Church Pastors in the Pentecosatl churches in line with episcopal churches..Really it is a nice suggestion which can be considered for implementing in the churches.Many may raise the source for the salary scheme if it is implemented.No doubt it can't be implemented in the existing church administration as there is no strict accounting for the total revenue comes from the believers of the church.If all the contributions from the church believers comes? routed through an accounting system then you may be astonished to see the huge sum of amount is being generated through the church.Nowadays the major part of the fund is going in the hands of elite  group of leaders as they used to visit churches in abroad frequently and not handing over the contribution/ offering they got from the believers to the church administration.If the church leadership sit together and take a decision to pronounce all their source of income to the church then there wouldnot be any scarcity of funds.

I strongly support the move for implementing the salary and allowance scheme for the pastors as it is very much required in this juncture.Many Pastors are still suffering for their dailyhood when other elite group is sitting on the pool of funds.When a group enjoys the benefit of the comfort others suffering for want of minimum required things.If we shows some responsibility of taking care of the workers in the pentecosatl churches who works for the cause of the Lord almighty it will be surely a blessing which may go a long way in the gospalisation effort.

Kindly look in to the possibility  and  viability in implementing some minimum support for the church pastors who works or ministers at the churches with low income  because of either less believers or the capacity of believers.Let's discuss the ways and means for the implementation of this good proposal for the purpose of the gospalisation. Let's try to faithful to Lord Almighty who is coming soon.This is the end time .. let's arise and shine for the Lord's Ministry.

May God lead all of us according to his guidance and truth.

achen

good one, the scheme was supported by many and will those persons..... please mention whom you mean by "us and we" ???

the main pentecostal groups have administration, currently they are doing something for their pastors.

pentecostal leaderships doesn't unite for any of common things even for a rally.

they sit and talk but nothing done infront of believers....for that these groups should accept a common leader.

if there is a good common leader accepted then us and we is practicable...waiting for that....

like israel asked for a king to stand infront of them

It is really the need of the hour to consider paying some living allowances to the pastors of the churches in general.Especially for those Pastors who minitering in low income churches.When a sect of the pastors are enjoying the fruits of the community a sect  suffers.A distribution system may be brought to the help of the low income churches.Let there be loving and caring thought from the leaderships of the pentecosatl churches.

Achen

God has only one church but He certainly does not have only 'one leader'. Leadership in the local church was always meant to be plural. Sadly, it seems that we have become more interested in the concept of 'one pastor' than the truth of 'one church'!

As we study the Scriptures, we repeatedly find that there was a 'body of elders' who were appointed in every local church to direct its affairs. It was not an autocratic one-man show, a democratic congregation-driven set-up or even a committee-led hire and fire style of governance; it was a theocratic rule where godly leaders (known as elders, bishops or overseers) were identified, appointed and together ruled the household of God.

A local church where one man (the pastor) runs the whole show and does all the work of the ministry is not a biblical model. This tragically being the case in many places today, the immediate endeavour of a pastor should be to raise up leaders and equip believers to function in their calling and use the gifts which the Lord has placed within them.

It must also be highlighted here that the office of the pastor has been wrongly elevated above the other ministry gifts. While he is only one among the apostles, prophets, evangelists and teachers, today the pastor is considered as some kind of elite individual. He gets all the attention and all the money!

The Scriptures make it clear that the church is to be built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, not on the foundation of pastors (Ephesians 2:19-20). One is therefore forced to ask, “Where are those with the apostolic grace and prophetic cutting-edge today? Why do we find only pastors everywhere?” The sad reality is that because we have emphasised only the pastoral ministry, most Bible colleges have ended up as 'pastor-producing factories'!

SAM

it is necessary and important...who will do it first ?

Hi

It is imposible to adopt a payroll for Pastors.

Jsph

OK BRO SAM, ACCEPTED...WHO WILL BE THE SPEAKER OF OUR PENTECOSTAL PARLIAMENT; THE ONE WHO FINALISE THE SUBJECT.

I MEAN THE LAST WORD, TO FIX THE NEED.