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Acts Chapter 1.8 says .......................go to the uttermost parts ot the world.   That means Africa, Australia and Alaska. 

But Jeruselam First.  India is our Jeruselam.

Dear John

Where is your Jerusalem? India or America?

Achoyi

My dear Achoyi

I can answer all your questions.

I really don't want get in to any of those talk, as that North Indian Pastor.

But if you are asking me to reply- Half of my family lives in US. They are in to most of your churches too. But my visit was for my Ph D Program. I have finished  the course and came back. I have nothing to say about people who did not come back - it is their decision.

Then I am not against Prophecy, I have only problem is with for those prophets who gets that gift in the flight to US or Middle east.

My Jerusalem, is and was Kerala and  I worked there for some time, before I went to North. I have nothing much to claim about my ministry.  All I am  is by  His Grace.  Still I am in North India, not North America.

We are not asking any one's money- That the Lord will provide- But Pray for India. That is the Key to Change.

Any more personal question my friend? 

Please come back to our main Subject 

 HOW CAN WE EVANGELIZE INDIA?

John 

 

PhD to evangelise illiterate Indian villages...?  Hmmmm...!!!

Pastor.

Some people are saying Pray Pray Pray.  Is that all?  Dont you think that evangelisation in India needs money?  We should not be so "pishukkans" when it comes to money.  When we GIVE money, it is known to others and some one will be benefited in India, but when SAY "pray" no one is benefitted, as we DO NOT REALLY pray.

Can we take a decision to pray half-an-hour a day for Indian evangelisation?  Then we say, I am too much busy.  How are we praying then?  If we cannot pray, we should support them financially.

If we cannot do both above, then we should go and preach!

Evg. Prakash.

Anonymous:

PhD to evangelise illiterate Indian villages...?  Hmmmm...!!!

Pastor.

Is Ph D an Obstacle for Evangelizing the villages?? Leave him alone, are trying create another Another North Indian Pastor??

Mathew Vackayil   

Evg. Prakash,

 Can you clarify what you meant by "When we GIVE money, it is known to others ....."?

Jose

I see a humble serverest like heart in John.  Even thought he has a Phd from US  he is simple. I love peopel like him  poor village people will like him too soon

Pastor American

Dear John

I have some more personal questions

Did you get your Phd in one sitting or few walks in to the college office (Since you said you have not lived in America)

If you have half of your family living in America, you don't need to stay back here, you can live like king in India.

Are you living in the Big Matrapolies  in India or some towns or small village. (Does your Phd help you in any way to EVANGELIZE INDIA ?)

Will you have any problem if the Lord decides to give His servant some vision and dreams on the way to US or Middle east? (There are some children born on the flight over Atlantic ocean.Will you also deny their existence? I know all children  born in the world are not born on the flight !!)

By the way who is this NORTH INDIAN PASTOR ? It seems that you cannot work with him. THEN HOW CAN YOU EVANGELIZE INDIA?

Achoyi

 

 

Dear Achoyi,

Do you have a real name, why should I reveal everything about me to stranger, And moreover this site is meant for meaningful discussions not for self promotions and fund raising. So is you have a personal ID, I can answer all your questions  dear.

The real issue you need to hear is  

 (Does your Phd help you in any way to EVANGELIZE INDIA ?)

we need educated servants of God to work in India, one of the saddest thing we find in the evangelical circle is:

    if you have no education or just a small training you can be a village minister, or church-planter

    if you have a B Th or any Bachelors Degree, no more village, pastor in a city

    if you have anything above B Th (MTh, M Div etc), then we are only fit for teaching in a Bible college or seminary.

    In case you have PhD or any doctoral degree, then you need  to be a founder of a bible college or a seminary or a new ministry.

This is not right, we have to change. we have 600,000 villages in India, we need some one to go there.

Dear Achoyi, are you willing to go, you know How to use english- that should not be an obstacle for you to go. I live in a small town which has only 30,000 people, it is like a kerala village.

John 

 

Dear John (if that is your real name)

I did not understand I was talking to you, a fake.

Are you John or a fake!?

I am Achoyi, is that what I am known.

You probably will be a fake, so you don't want me to answer!!

Better you have had not posted another without answering me!

Achoyi

Brother Achoyi,

 I don't see what your problem is...whether your name is achoyi or his name is john does not matter. What matters are the inputs you guys give. A brother with a doctorate can also  effectively do the Lords work. Lack of education or the abundance of it does not hinder anyone from being an evangelist in India. I respect Br John who works in north india as a missionary even though he has a doctorate, because if it was a typically malayalee he would be teaching at some seminary full time. Lets not discourage anyone. Encourage all servants of the Lord in the vineyard. Work in unity than creating divisions.

Joseph

Dear Joseph

I am in no way discouraging him. I am happy because he claims he has a Phd and serves the Lord in India.

But I am only trying to answer to the questions he has raised.

I think that is not at all a problem.

You are responsible for what you say. I don't want to come in to sympathy wave.

Let him answer the charges for which he is responsible.

Achoyi

Joseph said it right.... lack of education or the abundance of it does not hinder anyone fromb eing an evangelist in India.  But why brother John is of the opinion that he wanted to be educated to evangelize indian villages?  His PhD is not going to be used by God for His plans of salvation!!!  For real evangelization, brother John, you must have Holy Spirit, not PhD.  I heartily congratulate you for your PhD degree, which is good for this world.  But for working for the kingdom of God, you really do not need it.  Peter did not have it.  Even though Paul was a brilliant scholar, he rather said he received from the Lord and delivered to us.  So it is not bad to have a PhD. But it is not mandatory to preach the gospel and evangelize the many Indian villages.

Evg. Prakash.

Evg. Prakash

You are right partly. Phd is not for salvation of poor folks in India. Does that mean an evangelist should not earn one?

I am not against the Phd of John, but I am against his charges he made in this forum. I am waiting for him to respond.

Achoyi

Dear Achoy,

Now we are confused. What charges did Br. John made? I didn't find any serious charges at all. You're totally questioning him left and right. TOTLY WRONG!. Who are you to question a men of God like this. I think you're going extreme. Please encourage one another. I don't think Bro. John need to answer any of your questions. Please stop this otherways this discussion forum will ignore you just like "North Indian Pastor"...

George

Dear Achoy,

John is like lamb before it sheers, he is keeping his mouth shut and praising God and Evangalizing a small

It is good to have some educated people in the mission field. Pentecostals have been accused of being uneducated and stupid and looking at the statements and attitude of some people here, really can't blame those who make the accusation.

Are you the Achoy Mathew from NY

Achoyi, You question Mr John, (who so ever it may be). Now tell us who you are, why you use this name Achoyi. Is it a name, it sounds like ichi-chi to us.

It seems, that Mr John left the discussion group at all, that is a sign that he is working in North India. Other wise he should Have found so much of time like Achoyi, to provoke people.

Mathew 

There is so much waste happening in the name of indian evangelism. Some of the ministry men spend more money on the air planes and phones than is spend on actual missions. Some organisations are buying crores worth of properties, printing newsletters exagerating work, claiming that 1000 thousands are being saved by themselves every day and such big lies. How do these people even sleep in peace. I suggest that all ministries sell their properties and assets, put all the money in the bank and the missions can be funded with the interest for that deposit. Everybody talks about north india because that is the best way to raise money now. There are still unreached places in malabar and other southern parts of the country but they are not good fund raising projects. You ask the leader of one ministry about the work of another ministry and they will have 5 faults about the others. Only what I am doing is noble and everyone else got it wrong.

 

can we get all the leaders of all churches and ministry to sit at one table first, shake hands and unite together first?

Amen brother you are right        you hit nail on the head    All leaders should call a evangalistic sumitt and discuss and impliment the ways and means to evanglise North India.   North Indian Pastor is the right person

Halo I think we should set up a particular board for Indian evangelism in Every church. (Not the kind of board we have toady) We need to put people there who already have been in ministry in India and migrated to here. We can get a lot of help from them (not money but their experiences). Once in a year we should send our local pastors to India to do evangelism (Full paid by the church). If possible our youth should be motivated for evangelism in India. Please pray for our beloved brothern working in India.

Rajaji Mon

Rajaji, that is a good suggestion. we should encourage  our Indian churches here to be  part of  the ministry in  India or else where.  A  healthy  Partnership  -  Like  Paul  says "the  Partnership in the  Gospel". Mutual accountability and  mutual help should be the way. 

Mathew 

Dear Rajaji Mon

Your suggestions are good. But I am not in favor of sending our pastors with full paid by the church to India for a vacation. If the pastor wanted to go to HAWAII, please send them with full pay and some extra money to buy some sands from the Honolulu. I would suggest to send all those migrated ministers to India and not to the evangelism board. You would not get not only money, but also experiences because they have none.

You suggestion of a good board is good. Youths should be motivated to go.

 

Achoyi

Rajaji, your suggestion about evangelism board in every church is good. every church outside india should have mission stations in India. and people from those churches should visit these places. Rather than just send money to 10 different places, adopt an area in India, make it your mission place, pray for that place, send members of church frequently. Take the young people too.