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  •  12-03-2007, 2:48 PM 2678

    KERALA CHARISMATIC PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT

    Hi all of you,

    This thread is an offspring of a discussion thread for KCPM...KERALA CHARISMATIC PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT..

    all are welcome to discuss about how we can reform pentecostal movement..

    The discussion in Kerala Catholic Pentecostal Movement agreed wholeheartedly to omit the word Catholic as it symbolises the evil practices of Catholic church and dark ages of christianity.

    Lets chart a new course of discussion here, and see how we can put thoughts together for a great reformation in Pentecostal movement in Kerala, India and elsewhere..

    So lets begin...

    jesus freaks

     

  •  12-03-2007, 2:50 PM 2679 in reply to 2678

    Re: KERALA CHARISMATIC PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT

    There was this kool STATEMENT OF FAITH posted by JMM..this will be something to begin with...let me repost it..

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    1. The Holy Bible: This church accepts the sacred words of the 66 Books of the Bible as the inspired, revelation of God, as the sheet anchor of Faith and Eternal Hope, and as the basic creed of the church and the only standard of life for the believer.

    2. God: That the Eternal, True and Holy Trinity is one God existing in three personalities-Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    3. Man: That the creation of man was in the likeness of God, that he had a great fall when he transgressed God's commandment and that only Christ the Son of God can restore the Fallen Man to his Pristine glory

    4. Repentance: That the fallen man should approach God with true repentance for sins and faith in the atoning death of Jesus Christ.
      
    5. Justification:
    That the man is justified by faith and that guilt is pardoned by the Blood of Christ.

    6. Regeneration: That the man is born of God through the Holy Spirit and the Word of God.

    7. Water Baptism: In order to become one in Christ a believer should be baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit by immersion in water and thus become part-takers of the burial and resurrection of Christ.

    8. Separation: That a believer should be separated from sin, sinners, false doctrines and all kinds of worship contrary to the 'Bible.

    9. Lord's Supper: That the Lord's Supper is to be celebrated regularly till He comes, to commemorate the death of Christ.


    10. Baptism in the Holy Spirit: That the believer should be filled with the Holy Spirit: That the initial sign of speaking in tongues follows the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and that this speaking in tongues though the same in essence is different in its use and operation from that of the gift of tongues

    11. Divine Healing: Since temporal healing is included in the Sacrifice on the cross by Christ for atonement of sins, a believer should take it as a right and privilege to get bodily healing by prayer and faith.

    12. Sancitification: That the believer is sanctified by the Blood of Jesus, by the Word of God and by the Holy Spirit.

    13. The Church: That the church is the congregation of believers; its faith and experience should confirm to and stand steadfast in the teaching of the apostles in the New Testament.

    14. The Ministry: That the ministers of the church such as apostles, Prophets, Pastors, Teachers, Evangelists and Deacons, must be those who are called by the Holy Spirit, bestowed with gifts according to their different calling.

    15. Ordination:
    For those who are specially set apart for ministry of the church, ordination should be by the laying on of hands as in the New Testament.

    16. Evangelization: Evangelization is the supreme duty and privilege of the church.

    17.Second Coming of Christ: Jesus is coming soon in the air and that the Bride will be caught up when Jesus comes.

    18. Great Tribulation: That there is to be a great tribulation on the earth when Anti-Christ will be in his power soon after the coming of Christ in the air, and the Rapture of the Bride.

    19. The millennium: That at the end of the tribulation Jesus will come to the earth in all His glory with His saints and establish His own kingdom of Righteousness for a thousand years.

    20. The Great Judgment: That after the Millennium satan and his hosts will be cast for ever into the lake of fire and there will be judgment before the Great White Throne for all the wicked who also will meet the same punishment.

    21. New Heaven and New Earth: That at the time of the great judgment this present earth and heaven shall be burned up with fire and a New Heaven and a New Earth shall appear.

    22. Feet- washing and dedication of children are acceptable.

    Any member whose life and teaching do not correspond to the doctrines enumerated above and also the other teachings in the Holy Bible shall be excommunicated from the church.

     

  •  12-03-2007, 3:20 PM 2680 in reply to 2679

    Re: KERALA CHARISMATIC PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT

    IPC, AG, or any denomination, in itself is an evidence that its not the organisation structure doctrinal statement or plan that corrupted the system. its just few people, their greed , selfishness, etc that lead to the spiritual downfall...

    Charismatics are wrongly portrayed as people with some over emphasis on retreat camps, worship & music , and healing. I totally believe in those three, but those are just by products. Our focus is christ centered life and word of god. So let me chart a clear pattern for KCPM..

    let me put few pointers here..

    Do we need big churches to return to first century christianity of sincere christian experiences?

    Do we need charismatic eloquent ( good for only pulpit ) speakers and leaders to lead us? remember jesus didnt do any of these? he was always with the people except wen he retreated to the mountain to fellowship with GOD the father.

    I think the discussion should be more on building each christian home as a foundation for church..BUILDING CHRISTIAN RELATIONSHIPS..i think if in a home all of them are believers..the head of the family can be the elder to lead prayer, encourage and upbuild the family in gods word and christian life..when families are built, churches are automatically renewed..A small group of 10-15 ideal for fellowship..

    I heard somewhere FAMILY IS THE GREATEST UNIVERSITY..I strongly believe a group of 10- 15 can come together as a family, meet at their own home, pray, talk, eat fellowship, have Lords communion and build christian lives. There would be strong feeling of accountability to each other. I am not overlooking the importance of big churches. But home based christian fellowships can build up a strong christ centered christian community.

    Home based groups in a district can come together once in 2 or 3 months for a joint worship and fellowship ( i suggest not on sunday, we dont want to isolate ourselves from denominational churches , thats a mistake. i think we should work frm within )

    I have heard of christians saying, they dont have a role model, they see fake leaders everywhere. Some lament on that they dont have anyone to listen to their real problems. I think a Home based model of church can run parallel to the present church system and can reform the pentecostal movement from within, instead of forming a new different organisation.

    Running parallel and not starting a different denomination has its own uniqueness.

    - It wont be a Sunday church..every member can attend their so called denominational church

    - this group is solely on 2 or more evenings, where small groups of 10-15 can come together, meet in any members house, talk sing pray eat food and have fellowship.

    - This group can have regular bible study groups, which will effect in less criticism, more of christian attitude. The more I read bible and fellowshipped with real christians in homes in the way I mentioned above, it had a real change or revival ( watever u can call it ) in my attitudes and action.

    - Also there wont be total isolation from so called denominational churches..no laments of sheep stealing, no attitudes of self righteousness..

    I firmly believe end time is for harvest...and Unity in the church is a by product..

    Home based movements can be effectively only wen there are elders who can over see groups, hold accountable those elders and members, to resolve issues in a biblical manner. That means there should be space for love trust and self discipline rather than enforcing laws and bylaws..! we have repeatedly failed in that aspect..havent we?

     So to conclude, my point is not to initiate another organisation, but lets start home based groups to pray and study bible...home churches were effective in first century and also in 21st century..

    any comments???

    jesus freak

  •  12-05-2007, 12:22 PM 2681 in reply to 2678

    Re: KERALA CHARISMATIC PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT

    PRAISE THE LORD

    Dear all,

    Greetings in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    I thank God for starting a new thread like this. Why our people are so lazy. Nobody bothers!!!

    Abstinence is a sin as equal as indulgence in an offence. so if you are silent, Jesus will select some other method to reform his Church.

    So beware!!!

    Please try to type few words about this new movement.

    With love and prayers

    In HIS Service

    JMM 

     

     

  •  12-30-2007, 4:12 PM 2686 in reply to 2678

    Re: KERALA CHARISMATIC PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT

    Sadly these movements are just trying to change CATHOLICS into Pentecostal thus denying the LIGHT of Christ to the World. Twenty First century belongs to the Pentecostals, but The Muslims are going to overtake Christains in this century. We are  going to loose all our Nuns and Monks, who spread the good side of Christainity across the world. What is the diffrence between a Pentecostal and a Muslim, who preaches my WAY or High Way. No works of Christ. May be 22 nd century the Real Church will make a come back.
  •  05-28-2008, 4:59 PM 3292 in reply to 2686

    Re: KERALA CHARISMATIC PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT

    Dear All,

     Do we have any latest updates I am keen  on further updates to see if I can be  part of this  

    by

    SKM 

  •  05-29-2008, 9:13 AM 3294 in reply to 3292

    Re: KERALA CHARISMATIC PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT

    Yes. Please give us an update about this movement. Updates seem pretty old.

     If their intentions are good to glorify our Lord and not to grow our own 'I'peecee or other mallu owned organisations what is the problem!!!???

    We Malayalee pentecostals act as if we own the Sworga Rajyam and we make the rules there! Let us not fake...and be hypocriticals. Our Mallu pentecostalism is on the verge of failiure due to the hypocricy in our community. Our pentecostal forefathers were not such a bunch and therefore, were successful in passing on the faith.

    Let us not be a stumbling block to the new movements if they can transform many souls for His kingdom.

    IPC Makan

  •  05-30-2008, 10:52 PM 3302 in reply to 3294

    Re: KERALA CHARISMATIC PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT

    Dear All,


    Do we all agree even there are brothers and sisters  among pentecostal / catholics/ Jacobite's/ orthodox/ Marthoma / ... who are really inspired by God and wanting to meet our lord in his second coming.  If we agree this I feel those are defenitly be thirsty for fellowship with people of similar desire.  Exiting in this world as an organisation with an identity   demands  much efforts to safegaurd the idenity of the organisation itself more than safegaurding the idenity each of us have in christ. Our own individual spiritual identity in christ is at constant conflict /war with our wordly identity and it continues untill our death .when the truth is this showing to the world with an organisational idenity will allways end up in being  as an instrument in hands of devil. So why we should bother so much about organisation or name . Why we are so interested in having  one name. why cant we have multiple names just say sabha or group for understanding may be we can add name of the place before.

    we dont need to bother too much on this let me be practical ,  if any one reading this has a vision why cant he find one more person of similar vision and start a meeting in anyones  house. just share the hope within them on his comming, Sing a song for this hope.  have bread  , remembering the way that food suffered to become the bread for your physical body jesus suffered to become bread for your spiritual body . remembering that to get your spiitual body nourished you need to eat him and he has to be in your spiritual self like the food become part of your physical body .  How can you eat him  yes  "the word became flesh" . So eat the word and become the word of God yourself . Also pray for  many others around  you  who really need to have this fellowships. Then they will come . if you have many people split it and God is more concerned than you for the other group dont be too much worried he will lead them. Help each other pray for each other if you find any body does sin and you become concerned then pray for him dont talk too much about it and fight with him. Just love him and pray for him . Call pastors or any one who like to share Gospel if you are better than them at least be satisfied that they get something from your koottayimma if not you get some good things . if they attract some people and if they go with them to their church dont worry too much because we are not interested in an earthly organization.  We dont know till when we live in this earth  tomorrow is not in our hand but this moment is ours if we are willing we can do some humble starting .I think  I am talking too much  I am sure by this time my brothers and sisters in christ who reads this understood what to do . lets do it now

    I am planning to do this kind  but its a pity on me that I could not do so far , please pray for me.  

    SKM 

     

     

     

  •  06-22-2008, 9:56 PM 3531 in reply to 3302

    Re: KERALA CHARISMATIC PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT

    Praise the Lord

    Dear All

    Greetings in the wonderful name of our Lord Jesus who is the Christ.

    Why no news? Are you sleeping? It is time to wakeup.

    Have you heard of Florida outpouring? One man with Tattoos, ornaments and piercings in his body; is preaching the word of GOD. He is having no dress code, no Jubas or White clothes. No order in the service. Three months continuous meetings, Venue changed many times to accomodate the believers.

    Millions are watching through GODTV, Internet and other medias. Thousands were healed. Many people rose from death bed. Thousands are being saved and accepting Jesus as their personal savior.

    http://www.freshfire.ca/ffmstream/index.php

    Man, it is the GRACE of our Lord. Our Thangus and Yohannans are on the way to Jail like Santhosh Madhavan and other Man made or self declared gods. All other Pentecostal millionaires and Leaders are in great worry and agony.

    Do you have a burden for the lost souls? Everyday thousands are perishing without knowing Jesus. Our leaders are buying estates for coming generations.

    But, Jesus is doing his work as promised. Are you ready to obey his commandments?

    No religion, Sabha, Virunnu or Movement lead you to HIS Kingdom.

    Go and Spell the Gospel. Jesus is the way, truth and Life.

    BIBLE = Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. 

    Let us pray for SKM and like minded people. They have the will to do the good work but no courage. What a pity?

    Please pray for the Devasia Mullakara's Pastor's meeting which will be held in 2008, October 21-23 at Cochin, Kaloor, Gokulam Park Inn Auditorium. May the revival takes place in our country also.

    Maara natha. HE is coming.

    With love and prayers.

    In HIS Service,

    JMM 

     

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