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Praise the Lord

We would like to introduce a new organization namely Kerala Catholic Pentecostal Movement.

All Catholic born-again believers are welcom to this.

We are fed-up with the geniological leadership in IPC.

Moses' son never became the leader of Israelites. Kingdoms are gone. Eli the high priest and his sons are gone.

Why should we tolerate all these new kings and queens?

What do you think?

Interesting plot and story...and a wonderful question...to all believers...WHAT DO YOU THINK?

my dear friend, ANSWER IS WE THINK OF THE TRUTH and a whole lot of other things, ..we have a godly perspective which has a heavenly destination...

coming to the question..what do you think..Apostle Paul ( not the Vatican endorsed St.Paul )  says in Philippians 4:8..let me quote it for you dear brother...

" Finally Brothers, Whatever is true, WHatever is noble, WHatever is right, Whatever is pure, WHatever is lovely, Whatever is admirable, if any thing is excellent or praise worthy, think about such things... so u got it dear one?????

Coming to reality, IPC (or any other) are not the Supreme Court in Pentecostal movement...Pentecost is an experience, for those who walk according to the spirit of God...IPC is just another worldly organisation, just for this world, found by some pentecost experienced believers..i would compare it as the TENT ISRAELITES BUILT ON THEIR WAY TO CANAAN..but I agree with you brother..those leaders, (not all of them) has corrupted the church with sin, heroism propogandas meterialism manipulation adultery powerstrifes and all the worldliness..

But do you think Kerala Catholic Pentecostal Movement is an answer to this crisis..NO NEVER..

Its like jumping from frying pan to fire....Its like taking bath in your latrine septic tank when you got *** on your body...wat the hell is going on...

PENTECOSTAL BELIEVERS GETTING AMNESIA???? ARE WE GOING BACK THE DARK AGES of CHRISTIANITY??? WHERE CHURCH GOT DEFILED BY ROMAN IDOL WORSHIP..AND APOSTLES OR SERVANTHOOD became PAPACY..and church became business and political power??????

IS THIS A VATICAN SPONSORED PLOT TO SPLIT THE GROWING PENTECOSTAL CHURCH???

Catholic Church has a special vengeance towards KE Abraham founded IPC stemming from the fact that the former wrote MAHATHIYAAM BABYLON..a biblical based book, which mentions ROME and Catholic church as the prostitute that commited adultery and got defiled by the filth of the world..Also they are getting disturbed by the rapid growth in numbers and their flock moving to pentecostal churches.

Catholic church can be understood as the Pagan Roman religion clothed in christian name...its destruction is clearly written in THE BOOK OF Revelation..

Let me provide you some links....

http://www.gotquestions.org/origin-Catholic-church.html

http://www.angelfire.com/super2/anticatholic/Template.htm

Its not just the Catholic Church, but any christian church based organisation can become tools in devils hands when the leaders get more politically active and business minded..even if its IPC, Asemblies of God, Sharon fellowship etc etc.....

I agree Catholic church has a solid hierarchial power structure headed by POPE and VATICAN, great leadership, orginated from Roman emperors who ruled the whole world, a power structure evolved throughout past 1400 years, tonnes of wealth, and wonderful institutions..Do you think thats a reason to leave the TRUTH IN CHRIST and embrace their false religion?...answer me my dear friend?

Believers, its high time to kick these serpents out of the Eden garden of christian fellowship..devil invents new lies to destroy and steal away our faith in jesus.

So my dear brother, wat I think is...

God is compassionate and forgiving and if you repent of this grave sin, where you tried to bring atleast a flavor of catholicism(roman idol worship) to pentecostal experience...god will forgive you.

You can give a lame excuse that this is just a natural response to this IPC or any kerala based pentecostal organisation  that is corrupted with sin..Let god judge them..but your right response is to lead those sincere believers to the truth..not back to catholic faith...

You might say, in the beginning, its just in the name...we dont hve idol worship..blah blah blah...but how come there is no other name other than the demonic catholic word...after a while tat will be an excuse to infuse slwly pagan worship in a different way into the worship...Why cant you name it something new with a purpose like..Pentecostal Reformation Movement..(RPM) or some meaningful name...??

free those believers from EGYPTIAN SLAVERY my dear friend.....lead them to JESUS CHRIST..THE SALVATION AT THE CROSS..THE DIVINE INFALLIBLE WORD..

or else...YOU HAVE BE ACCOUNTABLE TO GOD on the judgement day....I CANT JUDGE WHETHER BURNING FIRE IS WaITING for u...

you guys deserve more.....!!!

 jesus freaks

Dear Brother (who start this Subject)

Appreciating your thought... Now a days Pentacostals became more worse than Catholics..

Politics, Priesthood, Filth, Adultary, Pope , Bribe. 

 We cant tolerate all these things with the Saying "Pentacost is an Experience" If pentacsot dinomination became cansourus we have to come out from their. 

gp

mr.gp,

pinne pentecostil mosham karyangal adinje kuudiyittunde...samathichu...pashe aa perum paranje Catholic Pentecost undakkaan poyaall....kure bodam illathavanmare kittumayirikkum..like u said...kalle shappil kanji adikan pokunnavare pole..

nobody who has solid foundation in gods word and has slight overview of christian history will sacrifice their life for this KCPM or watever...

another thing, pentecost muzhuvan kallanmare annene thanikke engane ariyaam..athe thanne thante bodakede...i think u only read some manjapathram and sit in front of computer or around tables gossipping...listen dude...there are very devoted christian leaders in various churches...i personally seen many of their lives and testimonies and thats one reason I still want to be in pentecostal movement, though i came from a syrian orthodox christian background..i wouldnt encourage anyone to start a syrian orthodox pentecost aviyaal movement...if someone does such a foolish thing i will use the media and every stage to campaign against it...

pottatharam viliche kuuvathe poyi vachanam padiche nere jeevikkan nokke...kallanmare daivam nokkikolum..pentecost is an experience divinely instructed to lead us in every righteousness that we will be spotless and blameless on that day when we stand before GOD..its the infilling of holyspirit, not only with the evidence of speaking in tongues or gifts of the spirit, but to equip you to lead a succesful everyday christian life..

GET OUT OF UR ISOLATED LIFE AND START MEETING MORE BELIEVERS..then u will know someone with real pentecostal experience to fellowship with.

PUTHIYA SANKADANA ONNINUM PARIHARAM ALLLEDOO...kure achayanmarkke shine cheyyam..publicity stunt..pinne kure cash puttadikkam..allathe enthe...

like to see more SENSIBLE comments on this topic...

 jesus freak

Brother Freak

Appreciating your open hearted comments…

Leaders with in us Lost their Vision and it exposed as dirty Politics. . Tricks to win in IPC Elections. Police, case, pastors specially Leaders, deeds worse than carnal people. 

You are telling there is saints in Pentacost… 100% accepting.

Will you accept there is saints in Orthodox and Marthoma… Born Again person also is there… ?

We all see saints like George Samuel (Navajeevodayam) Devasya Mullakkara… so, Why you forsake your orthodox background ? There is saints as you told in Pentecost.

What you see difference between Pentecost Vs Catholic..

1)    Priesthood?

     It is here in Pentecost unlike 50 years b4 we have no RAVA.

     why we don’t have   RAVA in normal pastors…?

Ys, V have Priestly dress – Vella Neelan Jubba

Pastors under the control of High Priest.  Should required Kai Mutham to get profitable place. Something more shame… than that.

2)    Anya Baasha – Ys it is in Catholic…

3)    Proposed to start pentacostal Political Party

4)    Continuous fake claim like P.M. Manhohan will come to Shadabdi… Vanno Sareee…

5) No bible base of doctrine… Everything acceptable in Pentecost. Vachana Parijanam illa. 7 year old boy preaching in Convention – Still u applause. Don’t you understand spirituality is not in by hearted sermon without the experience words of a boy. 

U have a Pentecostal blind love as any other Hindu or Catholic… But I am praying, if you see the downfall of Pentecost with +ve attitude.

You are searching good things in the garbage (Pentecost) bin.

But I don’t have time to search nutrition in the waste bin.

Biblical doctrine only my base…

gp

mr gp,

thante avesham kollam..unless its channelised fruitfully!

i dont disagree with most of these accusations against pentecostal leaders..i too detach myself from most of their organised thattippe!

but vishayama mattathe..u can find fault in pentecostal leaders and present administration..BUT NOT IN PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT and experience..

MY BIG QUESTION IS...IS KCPM ANSWER TO THESE PROBLEMS? catholicism is the mother of all evil...and devils most powerful tool to suppress the real church..why u want catholicism in pentecostal? answer me...

all the faults in pentecostal movement came becos, people who came from all different sinful backgrounds, didnt fully get converted, i mean the conversion in mind thoughts actions etc, so wat happens...they tend to repeat slowly their old ways...watever they learnt in catholic,orthodox or marthomite or watever background..athelledo prashnam...? u r taking them back to the root of evil...

tats y i asked u..if there is filth on ur body, would u take bath in a septic tank..???u wud go and clean in ur clean shower, rite??

then, y do want to take back pentecostal believers to catholicism?

IF U R A TRUE BELIEVER ( other than a perverted mind to destroy pentecostal movement ) your response to all these KALLATHARAMS would be.

- fellowship with similar minded believers, and talk think and pray...

- expose these adulterations boldly so that these practices will stop once and for all..

- work interdenominationally to bring unity in the body of christ and return to the truth of the word of god- the HOLY BIBLE

- live as AN EXAMPLE TO OTHER BELEIVERS..

and so on..

allathe IF YOU PROMOTE THIS DEVILISH SCHEME OF KERALA CATHOLIC PENTECOSTAL GROUP,  u r the worst than all these leaders...u r taking away believers from their true faith, distorting word of god, and can be compared to a PIG that turns to his own vomit..

any comments dude????

 jesus freak

one thing i am glad is..certain catholic and orthodox christian bishops are seriously plotting to divide and destroy pentecostal movement in kerala at any cost..tat gives enlightened pentes a motivation in kerala to rise up, read bible and make changes accordingly....

who cares for IPC, or any corrupted leader..let god judge them....there are 100's of other leaders in same organisations who follow bible and live accordingly..lets follow their example...

OUR FOCUS SHOULD BE JESUS CHRIST, BIBLE AND GODS DIVINE GUIDANCE..not any false shepherd like u GP....!

so get lost with your KCPM..or stay within pentecostal movement and wrk for a reformation within....

ONCE MORE KCPM IS DEVILS SCHEME TO DESTROY DIVIDE AND WEAKEN PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT IN KERALA AND WORLDWIDE...

 jesus freaks

Dear Freak…

Trying to note my view-points related with your thoughts…

u can find fault in pentecostal leaders and present administration..

BUT NOT IN PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT and experience..

1) A movements quality and vision  depends on the leaders quality and vison.

U are accepting most of  the Pentacostal leaders lost the quality and vison.

In Shadhabdi we announced P.M will come (Fake – Responsible of all Leaders)  I can show 1 by 1 – But no time and space to explain.

As mentioned in Bible a King’s downfall is considered the nations fall and the people of that country suffer the consequence. We have to learn from “Valanju Poya Needhiman – Lot – May b his idea was to correct that Sodom people in the way of Jehowah!! But that was not God’s will. So, better flee from that Movement which is controlled by someone who is the same moral values and vision.

Normally evaluating one group quality, according to their leader’s quality.

If you find “fault in Pentecostal leaders” please accept that in Pentecostal Movement.

1)      Please consider on “PENTACOSTAL MOVEMENT and Experience”

When & Where Pentacostal Movement started ?

The first "Pentecostals" in the modern sense appeared on the scene in 1901 in the city of Topeka, Kansas, US in a Bible school conducted by Charles Fox Parham, a holiness teacher and former Methodist pastor. The first person to be baptized in the Holy Spirit accompanied by speaking in tongues was Agnes Ozman, 19yr old girl"

So, from the beginning of Pentacostal Movement; Experience is more important than Bible. Finding & twisting bible verses according to their experience.(eg. “Who ever believth in me will do more than what I did”… & Rainad Bonque claims he raised one Pastor and that fake CD available, recently Thangu and Thomaskutty claiming resurrection of a boy – (Proved Fake) Through this way Slaying in the Holy Spirit, Holy Laughter, Barking, loosing of control, Super Natural Healing (Fake)? etc entered in to Pentacostl movement. But fortunately Kerla Pentacostal Movement started by K.E. Abraham and it is quiet different than the Mother Pentecostal movement. Because he got the Born again experience, basic doctrinal base and beliefs from K.V. Simon and his Viyojana Prasthanam. He baptized under the hand of K.V.S. So, he didn’t accept all the experience called evil things in Kerala Pentacostal Movement. But now a days all these chaos entering in to Kerala Pentacostals because of the Globalization and self benefit of Pentacostal leaders.  (Fame and Money will follow them) Now pentacostals are ready to accept everything in the name of Super Spirituality.

So, the future of the Kerala Pentacostal will identified with the Parent Pentacostl Movment which is started by Agnus Ozman

“MY BIG QUESTION IS...IS KCPM ANSWER TO THESE PROBLEMS? catholicism is the mother of all evil...and devils most powerful tool to suppress the real church..why u want catholicism in pentecostal? answer me...”

This is my answer

World Pentacostal Counsel took the membership from - WCC (World Counsel of Church) Controlled by Roman Catholic Church and all other nominal Christian Churches. The bounding aspect only "Carismatic Tongue and Miracles". 

"In the latter days" book – (Malayalam Edition) Describing Charismatic Movement – Author Wilson Zynen (Catholic Author). Published by Good News. In the -Aamugam-, Pastor M.V. Chako writing...

“Pentacost Movement & Carismatic Movement – it seems 2 but we are not 2 we are One..  (PENTACOST  PRESTANAM  ENNUM, KARISMTIC P RESTANAM  ENNUM  RANDAYI  KAANUNNU.   NAAM  RANDALLA  ONNANU)

This is my answer dear Freak. Ur leaders already embraced Catholic charismatic movement.

But you - poor few believers standing against   who will win?

Requesting to an overlook; understand the history and future – Where the Pentecostals.

Anser your remaining questions – I will try later on.

Thanks

Hi gp,

I appreciate your long reply and time spent.

You still roaming around with a microscope finding faults of pente leaders..Man ur headnuts gone loose? I can give you 10 times more stories of Catholic priests molesting nuns..Molesting underaged boys. dealing with terrorist activities in Northeastern states of India.. etc etc…noone has forgotten the nun ABHAYA raped and killed by catholic priests.. Catholic church has suppressed the case so long with their money power…any

Comments dude?

I personally can give you instances of catholic priest who were homosexuals, paedophiles (adult who feels sexual attraction to underaged boys or girls)...I studied in prestigious Catholic convents in kerala, so have heard a lot about the THANINIRAM of these catholic priests in saintly robes. We used to call them NJARAMBE ROGIKAL…In spite of this, there are some real saintly figures too. But as I don’t encourage personal attack, let me stop it here.

Now this trend of finding faults of pente leaders is just a campaign to tarnish the whole Pentecostal movement and to stop the flow to Pentecostal churches....athalle gp? Oru kaliyum nadakunilla alle..atha ee puthiya KCPM number.. I heard all churches are growing and 1000’s leaving catholic orthodox churches..

 Coming to one of your serious allegations against Pentecostal movement…

…You better produce the charge sheet and make sure its original…There are lots of stupid false proofs also circulating around..There are allegations against all charismatic leaders if u search online or with  fierce critics like you. I better pray for those leaders for their repentance if there is truth in them.

But my question is what plus point you find in the mother prostitute CATHOLIC CHURCH..that has defiled god’s church…which makes it better than the Pentecostal movement which has some disruptions. Man u r something…

Pentecostal leaders preach at charismatic meetings, share stages with them, talk to them…but Pentecostal faith is far apart from catholic creed…Catholicism is ROMAN PAGAN RELIGION CLOTHED IN CHRISTIAN NAME.. they are DAY AND NIGHT APART..

We are happy for charismatic movements that deny catholic faith, and believe in the true word and holyspirit. Most Charismatics end up in some Pentecostal church.

You seem spirited to go ahead with Pentecostal catholic movement…go ahead.. I would think it as someone with FULL VATTE leading some innocent souls…adikam clutch pidikkilla mashe…KALAM MARI…..

I liked your last question WHO WILL WIN..? that’s another blunder question…

Nobody wins, souls get saved…Christ comes and those who are not defiled of the world and wait for lord get raptured…

THOSE WHO CLING ON POPE…IDOLS GOLDEN CROSS VELANKANNI.. and CATHOLIC PROSTITUTE FOR SALVATION GETS HELL…escape my dear folks…

But I believe there will souls in heaven from catholic church too, who have denounced their wrong faith…but somehw couldn’t come out of the system...LET MORE GET SAVED from tat darkness…

I will continue with more arguments to prove why CATHOLIC CHURCH AND BELIEF IS EVIL…

God save u..

Jesus freak

Praise the Lord

Dear in Jesus Christ,

Jesus loves you. May the blood of Jesus cleans you and your thoughts.

Thank   you very much for your comments. I am really happy to read these responses.

Is this the culture of pentecostals? Are you sure that you will be raptured? If this is your attitude; I could say, "No way".

If you are a real born again christian, you would not reply like this. What did our savior Jesus tell: "Love your enemies" What you are doing?

Replied like hoolingans, goondas etc. do. What is this? have you read the first discussion question I raised?

The problem of so called 'pentecostals' are this dogmatic approach. No common sense but pretended to be the scholars or genius.

Do you know how to read and write without mistakes. Do you know the meaning of catholic? catholic means universal; that's all.

Do you know the number of catholic believers and IPC members? catholic church is making plot against IPC? What a pity?

Sorry to say that 'You are a frog in the pond.' I am sure that this IPC and so called pentecostal churches will not survive for long, if it goes like this.

Please note that I am from a catholic Christian family. My family and church expelled and excommunicated us. What was our mistake?

We accepted Jesus as our personal savior and took water baptism against the will of our community.

For what? to follow these devils? Kings and crown princes? priests in Jubas? Robbers of Lord's tithe?

We never go back to catholic church. But kindly note that the catholic priests and believers are far better than so called 'Pentecostals'.

We would like to have a fellowship with born again catholic christians. It will not have connections with Catholic Church or it's higherarchy.

We are praying for that. We have no enemity to you, so called 'Pentecostals'.

But we will pray for you to repent and to be a real born again christian without communal bondages.

Peace be with you. Our lord is coming. maara natha.

Take care

With love and prayers

In HIS service

JMM

hey jmm,

atleast you are realistic than the other gp guy..

noone is using gunda language here..but wen someone makes nonsense, just criticising pente leaders as if he is some selfrighteous saint..

i would call him a hypocrite..or a VELLA THECHA SHAVAKALLARA..i have no regrets for such vocabulary..

 i appreciate you for your boldness to step out of catholic faith, inspite of getting outcasted frm the community...i am not against the meaning of catholic ( universal ) i am against whatever these catholics..i mean those pope and bishops did to christianity...its so evil compared to all these few corrupted foolish pente leaders doing..

 anyways keep up ur gud work...network with whoever you feel comfortable and helps u grow in the fullness of christ...but keep it in mind...never go back to the darkness of catholic belief..

by the way, to clarify my viewpoint, i am not an IPC guy, myself coming from a syrian orthodox background, got into pente movement..kind of disgusted with the bodakede some guys are doing in here..but believe in working from within for a reformation..tats all dude..no hard feelings...

i wud live as a christian..not as a slave to any pente leader...or any organisation..as jesus has said..I am the way, the truth and the life..and once u knw the truth, it shall set you free from all bondages...

god bless..

jesus freaks

Remaining....

“all the faults in pentecostal movement came becos, people who came from all different sinful backgrounds, didnt fully get converted, i mean the conversion in mind thoughts actions etc, so wat happens...they tend to repeat slowly their old ways...watever they learnt in catholic,orthodox or marthomite or watever background..athelledo prashnam...? u r taking them back to the root of evil...”

Thanks, Dear Freak… Finally you accepted “all the problems in pentacostal movement due to unconverted people, and they are practicing the same evil things which they practiced their early life.” That is my target to prove you. “Conversion” is not a Biblical Term but Christ taught us we should Born Again (Re-birth, Re-generation). Conversion – already you helped me to describe – “A pig taking a bath” that is temporarily cleansing. As early as possible whenever pig got a chase to roll in the dirt, he will do that. That is your Pentacostal Leaders doing presently.

Now your attempt to make them (Leaders) clean and it’s in vain as you try to wash a pig.

Now Technically you accept your leaders are not Born Again and they are only change their outward dress and showing their inner personality as wolf.

PENTACOSTAL MOVEMENT – A folk of sheep (25%) controlled by some woolf. Day by day the percentage of sheep decreasing; but  quantity wise (as per Outlook) it is increasing, unfortunately that is not sheep but woolf.

Freak, still you are dreaming; one day minority of Sheep can control the majority of woolf ? My advise to the original sheeps – ESCAPE form the den of enimy..

I am not “taking them back to the root of evil...” Advising them to flee from this ‘Evilcost Movement” and spare your life.

Poor Pentacostal believers, most of them not aware what their Leaders doing against their belief. They are proposing to start Political Party and selling the strength of Pentacostal People. In Pentacostal Magazine, continuously Catholic writers article publishing and you still raising your voice against Catholics.  Like your leaders AchanKunju always trying to make a tie-up wit Catholic –Mahathiyam Babylon-. You don’t have strength and voice to resist them so, u are angry with me… Just I am explaining the truth.

“y do want to take back pentecostal believers to catholicism?” Not required my effort your leaders already doing that through Pentacostal Magazines, Chavar Vision, and Public Kiss on the hands of ThiruMeni etc. As I inform you b4 World Wide Pentacostal Organization have tie-up with Catholic Church.

Please acknowledge what is happening in Pentecostal Movement.

“return to the truth of the word of god- the HOLY BIBLE” - Unfortunately I did’t find true teaching of Biblical Doctrines in Pentacost.

1)      Centralized administration is dead against the Bible teaching of SABA.

Political Entry, Election, Bribe,

2)      Lord’s supper should perform 1^st grade (Central or District) pastor only in the Church & it should be “when ever we gather together”

3)      Ladies preaching in the Assemblies and Conventions

      “Upadeshippan Adhikaaram Illa”

4)      Lack of Unity between the Leaders in the Basic Doctrine…

      Like Holy Baptism, Assurance of Salvation, Divine Healing, Miracles etc.

5)   Other Tongue is the only sign of Holy Baptism.?

5)      Twisting of Bible Verse… Like “…will do more than what I did”

6)      Accepting all experience without inquiring whether it is according to Bible or Not. Usually God is a Puppet on the Hands of Pentacostal Preachers. They are eating with God, Playing with God, Chatting with God and always giving them special supernatural instructions and visions. But former Pentacostal leaders didn’t claim like this experience. Slaying in the Holy Spirit, loosing of self control etc no base in the Bible. In Europe Holy laugh, Holy Barking etc.

Thanks

gp

"We accepted Jesus as our personal savior and took water baptism against the will of our community.

For what? to follow these devils? Kings and crown princes? priests in Jubas? Robbers of Lord's tithe?                                                                   If Freak think like this he will spare his spiritual life. Other wise he will spoil his life for the Pentacostal Blind Love.

We never go back to catholic church. But kindly note that the catholic priests and believers are far better than so called 'Pentecostals'."

Catholic - Normally not experienced Born Again and not giving Importance in Bible Teaching.

Pentacostals - Calaiming Born Again & 100% according to Bible Teachings..

When I point out the misdeeds and wrong Pentacostals.. Mr. Freak explaining the Mistakes of Catholics... Thats Amazing & Non-sense.

We are not confused, Y the street dog bite somebody.. Is it.. (Catholics)

But we are confused about the behaviours of sheep which is acting like dog or pig... (Pentacostal Movement)

gp

me no need to protect any of the Leaders.

Dear Freak don't b in the Pentacostal Potta Kinar - Try to understand the status of Pentacsotal Origin, Present & Future. Forsake the Blind love of Pentacost... Don't count the big issueas as small. Don't cover the faults of Pentacost with the Big Faults of Catholic. Bothe r different

gp

" IF U R A TRUE BELIEVER ( other than a perverted mind to destroy Pentecostal movement ) your response to all these KALLATHARAMS would be."

Dear Freak.. My aim not to keep safe the Man made Pentacostal Movement (sorry, You Love & Like Too Much that Movement more than Bible or God) I am considering the Blind Believers of Pentacost. They are hypnotized by the Leaders, forget Bible Truths and following them blindly. Now the cancer of Pentacostal Evil, accuired 90% pentacostal movement. Mainly the Leaders they lost… and walking with Sathan. So, we have only 1 remady that’s Martin Luther’s solution. Come Outside From Pentacost – Because No hope.

Your Suggestions:

"- Fellowship with similar minded believers and talk think and pray..."

I am doing that,  I am strongly Talking, Thinking and Praying against the misdeeds of the leaders and spiritual downfall.

But you are covering pentacostal problems with exposing of Catholics Big Problems.

What is the sense that you are comparing Carnal Man (PRAKRUTHAN) with Pentacostal Believers. According to Bible they don’t have Holy Spirit in them, but Pentacostals always FILLED(?) with Holy Spirit.

We are discussing the 1 MANDHU KAAL of Pentacost but you are Showing me 2 MANDHU KAAL OF Catholics. They Lost from the beginning, that both of us aware. Try to Cut off the 1 Month Kaal of Pentacost and save other 1 leg. That’s your responsibility not to hide that kaal under Long Jubba.

Unfortunately here more worse than that happened in Pentacost, that MANDH is affected the main part of the Pentacostal Body. In HEAD (Leaders) so, no hope my dear if you remove the Leaders with a surgery No MORE PENTACOST and nobody can do that. 

"- expose these adulterations boldly so that these practices will stop once and for all.."

I expose but you are not believing eg. C.F. Parham, and Truths.

"- work interdenominationally to bring unity in the body of christ and return to the truth of the word of god- the HOLY BIBLE."

If you suggesting me to have fellowship without the boundary of denominations; what is your problem. KCPM is the best solution. The person who start this thread requesting that – An interdenominational unity among Christians… Pope also dreaming that..

Pure Bible doctrine is important for me; I am not ready to an interdenominational tie-up with all Movement

that is against BIBLE TEACHING.

In the begining Normal Pentacostal Movement is not included with TPM or Cylon Pentacost.. Now they are and forget the things charged against TPM faith. Any adjustmet are ready in Pentacost to say we are Next to Catholin in Quantity wise... and Proud.

(Outlook Counted all AVIYALS -

In between Pentacostal Movement Lovers forget the Diviations & Cults in Bible Teachings, which most of the grups holding.

"- live as AN EXAMPLE TO OTHER BELEIVERS.."   Its good don’t take examples from your leaders…

Thank

Gp

men of god,

this discussion leads nowhere. why should we be concerned about what others are doing. if we cannot identify with what others are doing then lets stop entertaining them or fellowshipping with them. we can pray for them.

i quote,

"let the one who does wrong, still do wrong and let the one who is filthy an let the one who is righteous still practise righteousness and let the one who is holy still keep himself holy. behold i am coming quickly and my reward is with me to render to every man according to what he has done." (Rev 22:11-12).

god bless everybody,

samson