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Article about "Uthappayudae Shapam Aru Murickum" came with a bad taste and hidden agenda. If the writer wants to talk about Curse breaking and all related things let him write that separately. This is not the true journalism.

I am not here to discuss the merits and demerits of curse breaking. I am not a fan nor an opposer of these activities.

But "Kuthi prasanga reethiyil ulla journalism" alpam tharam thanu poi!!

Brazilian Soccer team has 50% Pentecostal believers. They prayed before and after their match. But they didn't even go to semi finals for the last world cup. If you carefully follow global sports, there were believers among tennis players and athletes. They all pray for their items. Their Church and Pastor and their dear ones pray for them. Not every time they will succeed. We all know they all failed in many times.

In Indian Cricket team every one failed including the heavy weights Sachin, Ganguly etc.. Robin also failed. But that is sport. The great team of South Africa lost to Bangladesh. So it's not good to use Indian teams & Uthappas failure to criticize Bangalore Church & Curse breaking.

Yeah, I read the article. Actually I read the print edition where the article writers name was there - Anil something...The real point of the article seems to be mocking the curse breaking. If anyone who needed a curse breaking, it was Indian team and their pastor is going around the world curse breaking and slaying people in Spirit when the one person who really needed it did not get the curse broken. It is an indirect attack on curse breaking...a different kind of journalism - sarcasm.

Brother, you said you not a fan or an opposer of curse breaking? Is it because, like me,  you dont't know if it is biblical? I am so confused by all this slaying in spirit, curse breaking etc...especially the curse breaking I think is not scriptural ..atleast never seen a portion that talks about it. Anyone know much about the issue?

Skeptic.

Dear Skeptic

You have a Thomas sydrom,

Believe in the Lord and you and your house will be saved.

 

Achoyi

 

Brother Achoyi.....what do you mean by "sydrom" ???? Please check the dictionary before you intend to write something!! If what you had in your mind was the word syndrome I confess that you are right....Thomas.

Brother Achoyi, rather than making statements and accusations, why don't you take the time to explain from the Word of God - curse breaking and slaying in the spirit. If you can't talk about it, but only  just pick on other people's post, I think its best you just not post to this topic. Veliya miduken annennu chinthikenda! Act your age.  What does your post have to do with explaning curse breaking? If you can explain it , do it. I might be like Thomas, but my Lord showed himself to Thomas because thats what it took to convince him. If Christ like attitude was in you, you would have taken the steps to teach a skeptic and guide him. Believing in the Lord and being saved has nothing to do with curse breaking.

Skeptic.

As I wrote in my post, my intention is not to start a discussion about curse breaking. I was quite disappointed about the negative journalism.

Swargeeyadwani can always take a stand againd curse breaking. That's fine. But dragging Uthappa's name and Indian Cricket team into this discussion was a cheap papparazi type journalism. I hope Swargeeyadwani won't promote this type of journalism. That's all is my point.

I first read the article in the print edition. The author is Anil Kodithottom who is a critic of many things happening in our community now similar to some brothers here on the forum. And his articles are indirect like that ...that seems to be his style. He is the one who wrote a good reply to Pr. T.S Abraham's apology for the nilivilaku controversy.  

 It will be nice if when posting articles online, the name of the author is also mentioned so that we can know which is sworgeeya dwoni editorial  and which is other people's articles published in paper.  In a way, I agree that Uthuppa's name need not have been dragged into Anil's article but I think that is the whole point of the article like Skeptic said to point out that a church known for shapum poddike could not podike the curse of indian team. Bangalore is the center of curse breaking.

 

Foxs,

I don't care what it is, I am really enjoying the discussion board.  Many good subjects and a lot of good replies to  almost all the threads. Each and every one on this board is doing a good job.  Let it keep coming.

One Happy Person

I was expecting an explanation from Swargeeyadwani editorial board. Is this Anil a Swargeeyadwani reporter ?

If so, please advice him not to bring the Papprazi type negative journalsm to Spiritual World. That kind of journalism is good for political field.

I read that article from Sworgeeya Dwoni's home page. I think he is a good talented writer. Reading objectively I dont think he is meaning it in anyway that Indian team lost because of the ritual done at Bangalore church. They lost so miserably because they didnt play well and because those guys were bothered about a lot more other stuff, like money, than cricket. I think Mr. Anil is just pointing towards the folly of that ritual and expecting the team to win because of that; as if God have no other better job to do. I dont think it is negative journalism. Papparazi is a totally different thing no way related to this.

Kochappi NC 

Absolutely...

Bangalore church or any person who claims to be "spiritual" and doing the "shapam murickals" are not doing their God-assigned services.  Shapam pottickal or murickal cannot be done by man - it is already done on the cross by the One who saves all. All curses have been taken out by my Jesus and by faith in Him, I come to the point that I have no more shapam in/for me....  There are people like MA Varghese, Thanku etc. who are trying to take the glory of God themselves by "shapam pottickal".   I think this is what Anil (Writer of that article) was trying to say.  A good writer should always flight and defend against the wrong teachings and rituals happening in the community.  I appreciate Brother Anil's courage and vision.

The good news is not Shapam murckal, it is the Salvation of one's soul.  Pray that our leaders and pastors have good vision to proclaim the good news of salvation through Jesus Christ.

Note:  It is not our God's look out to defeat all the opposite players of other cricket teams but the Indian team, even if some one pray for the "bat" or for Robin Uthappa!!

Evg. Prakash

Anonymous:

Absolutely...

Bangalore church or any person who claims to be "spiritual" and doing the "shapam murickals" are not doing their God-assigned services.  Shapam pottickal or murickal cannot be done by man - it is already done on the cross by the One who saves all. All curses have been taken out by my Jesus and by faith in Him, I come to the point that I have no more shapam in/for me....  There are people like MA Varghese, Thanku etc. who are trying to take the glory of God themselves by "shapam pottickal".   I think this is what Anil (Writer of that article) was trying to say.  A good writer should always flight and defend against the wrong teachings and rituals happening in the community.  I appreciate Brother Anil's courage and vision.

The good news is not Shapam murckal, it is the Salvation of one's soul.  Pray that our leaders and pastors have good vision to proclaim the good news of salvation through Jesus Christ.

Note:  It is not our God's look out to defeat all the opposite players of other cricket teams but the Indian team, even if some one pray for the "bat" or for Robin Uthappa!!

Evg. Prakash

I agree with your points about curse breaking.

Curse breaking and related things are not an Issue for me . The main point is the third rated negative journalism. We are spiritual people.

These kind of journalism is not with right intention. If Anil is that Courage let him write AGAINST Curse breaking. Let him write with Biblical reference. That will be real helpful to Confused believers. As some one pointed out earlier, we need to have some correct biblical expositions about these controversial subjects. I am for it and I would like some one to do that. I wanted to hear the Biblical explanations from both sides.

But again, this is not the way to discuss a sensitive subject. This is third rated negative Papparazi type Journalism.

 

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A good writer should always flight and defend against the wrong teachings and rituals happening in the community.  The aiof "news papers and periodicals" are to "highlight the bad and evil things in front of the public and authorities, demanding correction of such situations and actions.  Anil is

(Sorry my system went mad before completing the whole sentence).

....Anil is doing his job.

Evg. Prakash

Anonymous:

(Sorry my system went mad before completing the whole sentence).

....Anil is doing his job.

Evg. Prakash

 

You call yourself an evangelist and you support this type of Journalism. This is the "Defender" type journalism.

I don't think this type is appropriate for Christian Journalism. Criticism should be Constructive not Destructive.

 

Brother, you keep saying Papparazzi journalism. The webster definition is : a freelance photographer who aggressively pursues celebrities for the purpose of taking candid photographs. Anil is not a photographer and nor did he do defender type character assassination. I read the article...I would grade it 6/10- not bad, not great. It was in no means a attack on Robin..the greater point it seems was the curse breaking issue. And ofcourse, what seems like a good article to you may seem bad to me and vice versa. It is people's perspectives. And so, in my opinion, the article is not third rate journalism. He seems to be a critical writer. His comments were not destructive in any way. It is an eye opener, considering that in some christian media, it also reported that Robin or their pastor saw a vision that India would win the World cup. What happened to  the vision? These are eye opening article to make us think before we just believe blindly in everything that happens in the spiritual world.

Anonymous:

Brother, you keep saying Papparazzi journalism. The webster definition is : a freelance photographer who aggressively pursues celebrities for the purpose of taking candid photographs. Anil is not a photographer and nor did he do defender type character assassination. I read the article...I would grade it 6/10- not bad, not great. It was in no means a attack on Robin..the greater point it seems was the curse breaking issue. And ofcourse, what seems like a good article to you may seem bad to me and vice versa. It is people's perspectives. And so, in my opinion, the article is not third rate journalism. He seems to be a critical writer. His comments were not destructive in any way. It is an eye opener, considering that in some christian media, it also reported that Robin or their pastor saw a vision that India would win the World cup. What happened to  the vision? These are eye opening article to make us think before we just believe blindly in everything that happens in the spiritual world.

Brother,

I am not here to argue with any one. I don't want to Quote dictionary or  word by word meaning. What I meant with Papparazi type journalism, is kind of negative destructive journalism. That's what defender did. Anil is also doing similar Journalism. If Holy Spirit has prompted Anil to talk about all  these confused topics, let him address the issue in Christian way.  That's all my point is.

Any way I am curious to know about the Vision. Can you please give the authenticity of that news. Who saw the Vision ? Which media said that ?

 

 

Amazinggrace,

In your perspective, Anil or any Journalist should do "soaping" while doing their job.  Journalist's job is not Soaping my dear friend.  If you see the history of any Indian news papers, they all struggled and they still struggle for bringing out the hidden truth in front of the public & authorities. Did you know that several journalists and publishers were inside the bars because they wrote against the British rulers in the past?  Swodeshabhimani Pathram has been sealed by British and Ramakrishnan was severely beaten in jail, is just one of the hundreds of examples. You must learn what is "pathra dharmam" -  it is not at all soaping. 
These days everybody wants to see and listen to the news of "blessings, Shapam Pottickal, Viduthal" etc.  Nobody is interested to be told about his/her correction.  This is why Thanku has thousands of people gathering around him in Kottayam.  Because people needs to hear that "God is going to deliver you, God is going to arrange a visa for you, God is going to heal you,  God is going to remove all the curses from your life", etc.  Nobody is ready to accept a prophesy like "you should correct your ways, you must love God more, You are not walking with God, You do not have the first love any more" etc.  Read the Bible, and Jesus never "white washed" anybody while they were still doing iniquities.  Read Revelations Chapter 3 onwards, Holy Spirit never encouraged with Soaping about the sinful nature of the then churches. 
Similarly, the Pathra Dharmam is to bring the "Truth" (be it negative or positive, good or bad) out to the public for their corrections, if any.  God is not for you to work as servant to do what you and I wish, and to talk and reveal only what you and I want.  God does everything according to his will without White Washing or Soaping.  God is Consuming Fire.

Evg. Prakash

Anonymous:

Amazinggrace,

In your perspective, Anil or any Journalist should do "soaping" while doing their job.  Journalist's job is not Soaping my dear friend.  If you see the history of any Indian news papers, they all struggled and they still struggle for bringing out the hidden truth in front of the public & authorities. Did you know that several journalists and publishers were inside the bars because they wrote against the British rulers in the past?  Swodeshabhimani Pathram has been sealed by British and Ramakrishnan was severely beaten in jail, is just one of the hundreds of examples. You must learn what is "pathra dharmam" -  it is not at all soaping. 
These days everybody wants to see and listen to the news of "blessings, Shapam Pottickal, Viduthal" etc.  Nobody is interested to be told about his/her correction.  This is why Thanku has thousands of people gathering around him in Kottayam.  Because people needs to hear that "God is going to deliver you, God is going to arrange a visa for you, God is going to heal you,  God is going to remove all the curses from your life", etc.  Nobody is ready to accept a prophesy like "you should correct your ways, you must love God more, You are not walking with God, You do not have the first love any more" etc.  Read the Bible, and Jesus never "white washed" anybody while they were still doing iniquities.  Read Revelations Chapter 3 onwards, Holy Spirit never encouraged with Soaping about the sinful nature of the then churches. 
Similarly, the Pathra Dharmam is to bring the "Truth" (be it negative or positive, good or bad) out to the public for their corrections, if any.  God is not for you to work as servant to do what you and I wish, and to talk and reveal only what you and I want.  God does everything according to his will without White Washing or Soaping.  God is Consuming Fire.

Evg. Prakash

Brother,

You still trying to Compare these things with Secular Journalism. I know what is Journalism. But that is  not appropraite in Christian field. Don't bring the Secular Journalisn and Secular Politics in Spiritual field.  Let's do evrey thing in Biblical way and with Love.

By the way, you didn't answer to my Question

 

about the

Amazinggrace, Whats the question, could you please repeat?  I didn't see you asking me a question.

Evg. Prakash

Anonymous:

Amazinggrace, Whats the question, could you please repeat?  I didn't see you asking me a question.

Evg. Prakash

I am sorry . My PC started acting up.

My Question was about the VISION you mentioned. Was that news authentic? Which news media reported it? Who saw the VISION? Can you please clarify.

Amazinggrace, My deepest sorry. Please re-activate your PC again. I dont remember having mentioned about VISION..  Could you read the post where VISION is spelled and address the query to the writer directly?

Evg. Prakash

There is no difference between Secular Journalism and Biblical Journalism.  Journalism is a profession and it should do what it stands for, no matter whether it is secular matters or Biblical. 

Good examples of Bible journalism are the letters/epistles of Paul.  I urge you to read his letters to the Corinthians and identify the "soap" method if it is there and come back.

Evg. Prakash

The news about vision was in goodnews and hallelujah print editions. don't have a copy of it right now...i think it said robin himself the vision/dream. 2 thngs - one that we was leading the prayer at the team meeting, which became true. another was winning the cup, which didn't happen.

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